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06-09-2017, 11:54 AM
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Hialeah Racing OMG!
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06-09-2017, 12:34 PM
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But how much worse is this than California's mule racing that made Black Ruby and Taz "famous"?
Last edited by Thomas Roulston; 06-09-2017 at 12:35 PM.
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06-09-2017, 12:34 PM
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Is it really just an excuse to have slots?
If so, that is very sad.
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06-09-2017, 12:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz
Is it really just an excuse to have slots?
If so, that is very sad.
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yes, and it is very very sad.
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06-09-2017, 12:37 PM
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The real tragedy is that Hialeah's track layout is ideal for racing at the highest level. It is much better than Calder in this regard - plus it is one of the few tracks that have a 3-furlong "Nursery Course," which also allows races to be run at a mile and a half.
Last edited by Thomas Roulston; 06-09-2017 at 12:42 PM.
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06-09-2017, 12:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas Roulston
The real tragedy is that Hialeah's track layout is ideal for racing at the highest level. It is much better than Calder in this regard.
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Unless you are going 1 1/16m
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06-09-2017, 12:49 PM
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Prefer to be called Dinny
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In honor of Belmont Stakes day, the Citation statue is entered in tomorrow's feature.
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06-09-2017, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
Unless you are going 1 1/16m
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Which is also going to be a problem at the "new" Aqueduct.
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06-09-2017, 01:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas Roulston
Which is also going to be a problem at the "new" Aqueduct.
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At least AQU has a mile chute.
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06-09-2017, 03:23 PM
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But the only two turn dirt miles at any NYRA track will at least 9 furlongs, a distance well beyond the abilities of most horses in this day and age of lousy horses. You average horse will need to take the A train to get that far.
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06-09-2017, 04:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
But the only two turn dirt miles at any NYRA track will at least 9 furlongs, a distance well beyond the abilities of most horses in this day and age of lousy horses. You average horse will need to take the A train to get that far.
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You lose two distances- 1 mile 70 yards, and 1 1/16 miles. (The two turn/one turn thing is overstated. A mile is a mile.)
That's not nothing, but it doesn't strike me as the end of the world, especially since much of the year they run at Belmont where those distances are available (at least theoretically in the case of 1 mile 70, which I don't think they actually run at Belmont but could).
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06-09-2017, 05:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
Y(The two turn/one turn thing is overstated. A mile is a mile.)
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I don't agree with this at all. Tactics are completely different and so are favored post positions.
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06-09-2017, 05:50 PM
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A shame to have this happen to Hialeah, where at one time it was easily one of the top 5 tracks in the country. I've been there twice, and the memory of my first visit in December of 1987 still has me thinking that when you die and go to Horse Player's Heaven, it's a toss up whether it's most like Hialeah, Keeneland or the Spa. Lost my shirt on a $25K claimer from Chicago named Savorton, or something like that.
Stopped in there a couple of years ago, and was happy to see that the casino hadn't completely ruined it as a track (which cannot be said of the new GP). Played one quarter-horse race and hit the door. I'd say even with the passage of time and lack of updates, the facility is still in the top 10 in the U.S.....
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06-09-2017, 05:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
I don't agree with this at all. Tactics are completely different and so are favored post positions.
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I agree from a handicapping perspective. But I thought we were discussing this from the standpoint of whether a track's configuration was optimal. From THAT standpoint, a mile is a mile.
(To put it another way, does anyone complain about Belmont's 1 1/8th mile races being around one turn? It might matter for handicapping purposes, from from a standpoint of owning or training horses, if the track offers 9 furlong races, it offers 9 furlong races.)
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06-09-2017, 05:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
I agree from a handicapping perspective. But I thought we were discussing this from the standpoint of whether a track's configuration was optimal. From THAT standpoint, a mile is a mile.
(To put it another way, does anyone complain about Belmont's 1 1/8th mile races being around one turn? It might matter for handicapping purposes, from from a standpoint of owning or training horses, if the track offers 9 furlong races, it offers 9 furlong races.)
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Agree, the two turn miles on the inner are pretty silly anyway to be honest.
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