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07-24-2022, 04:09 PM
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Not getting it here. Thought he was a fragile horse, had not beat anyone, and was way over bet going that distance for the first time. Felt Brown thought he had distance limitations, otherwise he would have been on the Triple Crown trail.
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07-24-2022, 04:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
That was a sporting try to see what JC wanted to do.
All the other races were home court with politics in his favor, save the Pat Day in which he layed over that field by a huge margin.
Still may prove to get 9f, but give credit for a sporting brave try.
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Wouldn't call it sporting or brave, just the next logical step for a name horse that has blown away his company to date. 2 turns against solid peers in a very worthwhile race was the next logical step. He didn't exactly embarrass himself.
Can he get more distance eventually? Sure. Maybe. Obvious answer is to cut him back to 1 turn and the BC Mile for him is appetizing after the 7F Allen Jerkens which is very likely if he comes out of the Haskell in good fashion.
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07-24-2022, 05:32 PM
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I didn't read anything, but I'm going to guess the Travers and BC Classic are no longer on the list of possibilities for Jack Christopher. It will be interesting to see what they do long term and in the Breeder's Cup, but I'm sure Chad Brown will do the right thing for the horse.
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07-25-2022, 08:13 AM
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Easy trips in all 4 races.
Last two he beat weak fields
The hype was little overboard..
Twitter,media crowned him the best 3 year old after his last race.
Can we relax after every great performance?
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07-25-2022, 08:48 AM
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Right now, the Travers is expected to start the Derby, Preakness, and Belmont winners. Could be a 4 horse field but JC will not be joining that party.
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07-25-2022, 09:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Redboard
Right now, the Travers is expected to start the Derby, Preakness, and Belmont winners. Could be a 4 horse field but JC will not be joining that party.
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The Belmont winner is on the bench I believe.
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07-25-2022, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Spalding No!
The Belmont winner is on the bench I believe.
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Out through BC, at least.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...-bone-bruising
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07-27-2022, 02:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Redboard
Right now, the Travers is expected to start the Derby, Preakness, and Belmont winners. Could be a 4 horse field but JC will not be joining that party.
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It will have at least 5 horses because you know Lukas can't resist running Ethereal Road.
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07-28-2022, 03:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brisk Urging
Easy trips in all 4 races.
Last two he beat weak fields
The hype was little overboard..
Twitter,media crowned him the best 3 year old after his last race.
Can we relax after every great performance?
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I thought he was a nice horse but a big underlay: Four sprints and moving up to race against some horses that have run very well around 2 turns.
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07-28-2022, 08:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by plainolebill
I thought he was a nice horse but a big underlay: Four sprints and moving up to race against some horses that have run very well around 2 turns.
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The Champagne and Pat Day Mile are not sprints
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07-28-2022, 01:34 PM
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I should have said one turn races, my bad.
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07-29-2022, 10:39 PM
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I dunno. I have always assumed that trainers are on top of the limitations of their charges. If Jack was a little light on distance, shouldn't the connections have chosen an easier spot for his stretch out?
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07-30-2022, 09:27 AM
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I don’t think it was a track surface that was especially conducive to a horse getting a distance on the outer limits of its stamina.
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07-30-2022, 11:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
I don’t think it was a track surface that was especially conducive to a horse getting a distance on the outer limits of its stamina.
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Monmouth? If he couldn't get it on that track, likely he never does.
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07-30-2022, 02:58 PM
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I suspect trainers are seeing the examples we've seen of horses jumping up and winning big distance races off very abbreviated careers and assuming that this is the way to go with any valuable intact male horse.
The problem is that whatever you want to say about Arrogate or Justify or Flightline or anyone else, the basics of training a racehorse have not been repealed. A lot of horses need to be raced into condition and taken step by step.
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