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07-22-2022, 02:58 AM
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I do.
I've seen several recent studies that show natural immunity is at least as effective as vaccine immunity with the added benefit that it doesn't fade nearly as quickly as vaccine immunity does.
I don't think the mechanism causing this is well understood yet.
But the current theory is (just as Dr. Harvey Risch wrote) that for those whose first Covid-19 virus exposure was from the actual virus:
Their immune systems 'imprinted' not only on the spike protein but on the entire Covid-19 virus.
And when subsequently exposed to any Covid-19 virus they mount an immune response geared towards what they 'imprinted' on, in this case the entire Covid-19 virus they were originally exposed to.
As a result new strains of the Covid-19 virus have to be a lot more genetically distant from the strain someone with natural immunity 'imprinted' on before it can really pose a threat.
At least that's my understanding of the latest thinking based on data from the newer studies.
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07-22-2022, 10:45 AM
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The Voice of Reason!
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As a precaution, Biden was given a brain scan this morning.
The X Rays showed nothing.
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07-22-2022, 11:06 AM
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As a precaution, Biden was given a brain scan this morning.
The X Rays showed nothing.
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Exactly the result what most of us would expect.
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07-22-2022, 05:14 PM
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So let me get this straight...
1. Back in April Vice President Harris tested positive after a regimen of two shots and two boosters.
2. In June Dr. Anthony Fauci came down with not one but two cases of symptomatic Covid after a regimen of two shots and two boosters.
3. Within the past 24 hours the White House announced President Biden has mild Covid symptoms after a regimen of two shots and two boosters.
That's four Covid cases among three top US government officials who collectively received 12 shots and who each said the following words over and over again:
"Pandemic of the Unvaccinated!"
I'm pretty sure if I made this same post on Twitter their fact checkers would suspend my account for spreading misinformation.
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You would be absolutely correct, Jeff. This has truly turned into a Shitshow.
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07-22-2022, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff P
MargieRose,
Before the mRNA Vaccines were approved for emergency use, there were many respected doctors, virologists, and immunologists who warned against vaccinating into the teeth of the pandemic for the very reason mentioned by Dr. Harvey Risch.
They argued the vaccines were 'leaky' (allowed too many breakthrough cases) and that would drive emergence of new Covid strains.
For those who may not know the concept is called Original Antigenic Sin.
Here's an article written before Covid and before FDA, CDC, NIH, and Big Pharma, etc. decided to ignore a lot of things known about the way our immune systems work.
The Journal of Immunology | January 15, 2019
Original Antigenic Sin: How First Exposure Shapes Lifelong Anti–Influenza Virus Immune Responses:
https://www.jimmunol.org/content/202/2/335
In layman's terms, for people whose first exposure to Covid was caused by one of the mRNA spike protein vaccines, it's starting to look like their immune systems 'imprinted' on the spike protein of the original strain.
When subsequently exposed to the original strain they mounted an immune response geared toward the spike protein of the original strain, and I'm guessing very few even developed symptoms.
When subsequently exposed to one of the Delta strains they mounted an immune response geared toward the spike protein of the original strain.
But because Delta was similar enough to the original strain, even though a fair percentage went on to develop symptoms, very few went on to develop severe cases.
But when subsequently exposed to the newer Omicron strains now in circulation, they mount an immune response geared toward the spike protein of the original strain.
But because the newer Omicron strains are genetically distant enough from the original strain it isn't a particularly good immune response.
At least that's what the data is starting to look like.
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I don't think it is past those in charge to have known this. They sure seem "attached" to COVID. It staying around indefinitely would be a plus for this mindset.
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07-22-2022, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff P
I do.
I've seen several recent studies that show natural immunity is at least as effective as vaccine immunity with the added benefit that it doesn't fade nearly as quickly as vaccine immunity does.
I don't think the mechanism causing this is well understood yet.
But the current theory is (just as Dr. Harvey Risch wrote) that for those whose first Covid-19 virus exposure was from the actual virus:
Their immune systems 'imprinted' not only on the spike protein but on the entire Covid-19 virus.
And when subsequently exposed to any Covid-19 virus they mount an immune response geared towards what they 'imprinted' on, in this case the entire Covid-19 virus they were originally exposed to.
As a result new strains of the Covid-19 virus have to be a lot more genetically distant from the strain someone with natural immunity 'imprinted' on before it can really pose a threat.
At least that's my understanding of the latest thinking based on data from the newer studies.
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Thank you, Jeff P
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07-23-2022, 03:35 PM
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Seems Ol Joe has developed a few more symptoms... here's hoping they best him.
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07-23-2022, 03:45 PM
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It's not a vaccine, it's a beacon.
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07-25-2022, 09:39 AM
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Please keep Pres. Biden in your prayers, they've announced he's addicted to viagra.
The first lady is taking it hard.
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07-25-2022, 11:50 AM
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Soon Joe will be back sniffing little girls and chasing his dog while naked.
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07-25-2022, 10:03 PM
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Science Direct | June 2022
Innate immune suppression by SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccinations: The role of G-quadruplexes, exosomes, and MicroRNAs:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...06X?via%3Dihub
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Highlights
• mRNA vaccines promote sustained synthesis of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.
• The spike protein is neurotoxic, and it impairs DNA repair mechanisms.
• Suppression of type I interferon responses results in impaired innate immunity.
• The mRNA vaccines potentially cause increased risk to infectious diseases and cancer.
• Codon optimization results in G-rich mRNA that has unpredictable complex effects.
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An article about this same study also appears on the NIH.gov site here:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35436552/
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Abstract
The mRNA SARS-CoV-2 vaccines were brought to market in response to the public health crises of Covid-19. The utilization of mRNA vaccines in the context of infectious disease has no precedent. The many alterations in the vaccine mRNA hide the mRNA from cellular defenses and promote a longer biological half-life and high production of spike protein. However, the immune response to the vaccine is very different from that to a SARS-CoV-2 infection. In this paper, we present evidence that vaccination induces a profound impairment in type I interferon signaling, which has diverse adverse consequences to human health. Immune cells that have taken up the vaccine nanoparticles release into circulation large numbers of exosomes containing spike protein along with critical microRNAs that induce a signaling response in recipient cells at distant sites. We also identify potential profound disturbances in regulatory control of protein synthesis and cancer surveillance. These disturbances potentially have a causal link to neurodegenerative disease, myocarditis, immune thrombocytopenia, Bell's palsy, liver disease, impaired adaptive immunity, impaired DNA damage response and tumorigenesis. We show evidence from the VAERS database supporting our hypothesis. We believe a comprehensive risk/benefit assessment of the mRNA vaccines questions them as positive contributors to public health.
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The Narrative continues to unravel.
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07-26-2022, 05:15 PM
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More unraveling of the Narrative
New England Journal of Medicine | July 21, 2022
Duration of Shedding of Culturable Virus in SARS-CoV-2 Omicron (BA.1) Infection:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2202092
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To the Editor:
The B.1.1.529 (omicron) variant of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) has a shorter incubation period and a higher transmission rate than previous variants.1,2 Recently, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended shortening the strict isolation period for infected persons in non–health care settings from 10 days to 5 days after symptom onset or after the initial positive test, followed by 5 days of masking.3 However, the viral decay kinetics of the omicron variant and the duration of shedding of culturable virus have not been well characterized.
We used longitudinal sampling of nasal swabs for determination of viral load, sequencing, and viral culture in outpatients with newly diagnosed coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19).4 From July 2021 through January 2022, we enrolled 66 participants, including 32 with samples that were sequenced and identified as the B.1.617.2 (delta) variant and 34 with samples that were sequenced and identified as the omicron subvariant BA.1, inclusive of sublineages. Participants who received Covid-19–specific therapies were excluded; all but 1 participant had symptomatic infection. This study was approved by the institutional review board and the institutional biosafety committee at Mass General Brigham, and informed consent was obtained from all the participants.
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Figure 1. Viral Decay and Time to Negative Viral Culture.
Panel A shows viral-load decay from the time of the first positive polymerase-chain-reaction (PCR) assay. Viral loads from nasal-swab samples obtained from individual participants are shown. Each circle or triangle represents a sample obtained on the specified day. The median viral load at each time point for each variant is also shown. LOD denotes limit of detection. Panels B through E show Kaplan–Meier survival curves for the time from an initial positive PCR assay to a negative PCR assay, according to viral variant (Panel B) and vaccination status (Panel D), and the time from an initial positive PCR assay to a negative viral culture, according to viral variant (Panel C) and vaccination status (Panel E). In all panels, shaded areas indicate 95% confidence intervals. Sequencing showed that all omicron variant strains were the subvariant BA.1, inclusive of sublineages.
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The data comes from actual Covid patients at Mass General Brigham.
Clickable thumbnails below.
Panel D is days it takes to clear infection based on negative PCR test.
Panel E is days it takes to clear infection based on negative viral culture.
Both clearly show the unvaccinated had faster recovery times for both Delta and Omicron BA.1.
Put another way, the vaccinated and boosted remained sick longer than the unvaccinated for both Delta and Omicron BA.1.
Kind of shocking when you think about all the claims made by government officials and the Press.
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07-26-2022, 07:07 PM
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Kind of shocking when you think about all the claims made by government officials and the Press.
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Gaslighting is a wonderful thing...especially when you're trying to make a buck off of it...like BIG PHARMA
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07-26-2022, 11:19 PM
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Everyone seems to be burying the lead here ...
Since the covid pandemic scare became daily fodder for all the Democrat trolls and haters and the usual left wing snowflakes, this illegitimate, addled president wore a mask practically all the time. At press conferences, interviews, those very few daily briefings with the media, etc. etc., this clown told the world wearing a mask was the right thing to do. To be safe.
Yet, the day creepy Joe told us he actually has covid he is without a mask and hasn't worn one the few times he made a public appearance that I saw.
Without covid, old Joe wore a mask; with covid no mask.
I say no mas to him and to this idiocy.
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07-26-2022, 11:48 PM
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If he wore a mask while infected with COVID, he'd probably die
His senile lungs can only handle so much
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