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Old 07-23-2022, 09:32 AM   #46
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NYRA Live does a nice job to be sure, always appreciated - it's easy to laugh at Andy's silly picks (like that no chance Joseph O'Brien horse in the 1st at Saratoga yesterday, no way that horse would have the necessary speed to compete) but is that really useful "expertise" one has to ask or just a distraction - you don't get that at Colonial or the Mountain
Let's take a look at yesterday's Early Pick-5 (July 22nd).

The prices were $24.80, $40.60, $13.80, $19.20, and $21.00 for a $104,000.00 Pick-5. The first four races were in Andy's top-3 along with one on top.

As if that was not solid enough for you, he hands out the second place bomb in the nightcap.

Looking at these races just based on "how many were listed on top" completely misses the point.
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Old 07-23-2022, 10:07 AM   #47
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NYRA Live does a nice job to be sure, always appreciated - it's easy to laugh at Andy's silly picks (like that no chance Joseph O'Brien horse in the 1st at Saratoga yesterday, no way that horse would have the necessary speed to compete) but is that really useful "expertise" one has to ask or just a distraction - you don't get that at Colonial or the Mountain
So telling people that a Euro that ran twice as a 2YO lost to one Group winner and another multiple Group winner is "silly"....after the race of course?

It's a good thing I care enough about the customers to give silly info like that.

I also picked the 11:1 winner second, but hey, don't let that get in the way of being a jerk.
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Old 07-23-2022, 10:08 AM   #48
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I can tell people you're full of it. Much better than them believing you when you're pretty much always wrong.

Don't worry, you're hardly the only one here.
Literally numerous people in this thread are calling BS on you on this.

Your loyalty to your friend is admirable. But you look terrible when you swear that he commands the same sort of money as the top announcer in the country, when it is obvious to everyone that he doesn't. We all know not to take you seriously on this.

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Old 07-23-2022, 10:12 AM   #49
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Literally numerous people in this thread are calling BS on you on this.
But they all know better than me. I work at NYRA, know exactly what went down, but they know better than me.

I hope when you work as a lawyer you have a better defense for your clients.
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Old 07-23-2022, 10:23 AM   #50
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NYRA Live does a nice job to be sure, always appreciated - it's easy to laugh at Andy's silly picks (like that no chance Joseph O'Brien horse in the 1st at Saratoga yesterday, no way that horse would have the necessary speed to compete) but is that really useful "expertise" one has to ask or just a distraction - you don't get that at Colonial or the Mountain
I'm hardly a card-carrying member in the Andy Serling fan club, but for you to bother to expend your second lifetime "contribution" to the forum with such a petty swipe really does say something about you.

And the word that comes to mind is "classless".
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Old 07-23-2022, 10:35 AM   #51
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I don't mind an opinion

but there seems to be way more aligned insights coming from people like Patterson and the wonderful team at Colonial

here at NYRA we get opinions, which it feels like half the time are way off the mark

everyone's entitled to an opinion but I know I'm not the only one who feels this way

not sure what's "classless" about that

and I just discovered this site, sorry about that, thanks for the nice welcome
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Old 07-23-2022, 11:03 AM   #52
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The point isn't whether announcing adds value. It's about when and where it makes a business case for paying more for something better. You could have Kissinger in his monotone calling NYRA races. People wouldn't use that to switch over to CD or Tampa because the quality of the NYRA racing product insures the crowd will follow the racing. If you want to complain that the announcing at Mahoning Valley drives people away (example only), that might be a business case for spending more.
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Old 07-23-2022, 11:19 AM   #53
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imbriale (sp?) seems fine. Maybe he's making gaffes and losing professionalism, but I've never heard that. I also am not someone listening and judging to most calls. I maybe bet one NYRA race a day, and 50/50 chance that I hear hear the live call.

have no idea of the salary situation. The way the situation was framed in the media leads to the assumption that Collumus(sp?) wanted more/better and couldn't reach that. I don't actually know the factual situation.

I actually think it's neat that there exists a collmus(sp?) fanboy who also strongly 'reprsents' mountaineer/colonial to the extent of taking shots at the NYRA analysts. Interesting and novel.
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Old 07-23-2022, 07:12 PM   #54
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This past winter, with the race days at Parx not conflicting, Chris Griffin filled in a few times.
And sometimes Anthony Stabile.
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Old 07-23-2022, 07:22 PM   #55
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And sometimes Anthony Stabile.
If Stabile filled in, it was very rarely. I know he did in prior years but that was cut way back if he called at all.
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Old 07-23-2022, 07:43 PM   #56
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If Stabile filled in, it was very rarely. I know he did in prior years but that was cut way back if he called at all.
[1] Anthony has called at Aqueduct during the past two winters and selected other spots. He has done well in that capacity.

[2] For those who cannot get enough of the Tom Durkin salary debate, the Times Union reported in 2014 that he received $440,000 for calling 100 days of NYRA action that year.

[3] For those who cannot get enough of the Larry Collmus salary debate, he was reported to receive in excess of $200,000 per year when joining NYRA. It was reported that the salary dispute during his contract renewal process was a core issue in resigning. He wanted numbers greater than $400,000 according to media sources however I do not have independent confirmation of that. If there were more issues behind the scenes, so be it.

[4] For those who cannot get enough of the John Imbriale salary debate, the 2020 lawsuit filed by Luis Granderson against NYRA cited the announcer's salary was in excess of $200,000 per year.

Why mention these figures? Well, firstly, none of them matter. These are all fine announcers who were paid (or not) at the equilibrium point of supply and demand.

Second, none of the salaries are indicative of rankings of these fine folks as much as people would like to draw that conclusion.

NYRA is blessed to have John Imbriale - not just for his announcing skills, but all of the roles he has filled in 30+ years with the organization. NYRA also has the ability to tap Anthony, Frank Mirahmadi, or Chris Griffin as needed and they are all fine. I would welcome Travis Stone to this lineup in a heartbeat. Name one other organization in the country that can claim this prestige.
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Old 07-23-2022, 08:26 PM   #57
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[1] Anthony has called at Aqueduct during the past two winters and selected other spots. He has done well in that capacity.

[2] For those who cannot get enough of the Tom Durkin salary debate, the Times Union reported in 2014 that he received $440,000 for calling 100 days of NYRA action that year.

[3] For those who cannot get enough of the Larry Collmus salary debate, he was reported to receive in excess of $200,000 per year when joining NYRA. It was reported that the salary dispute during his contract renewal process was a core issue in resigning. He wanted numbers greater than $400,000 according to media sources however I do not have independent confirmation of that. If there were more issues behind the scenes, so be it.

[4] For those who cannot get enough of the John Imbriale salary debate, the 2020 lawsuit filed by Luis Granderson against NYRA cited the announcer's salary was in excess of $200,000 per year.

Why mention these figures? Well, firstly, none of them matter. These are all fine announcers who were paid (or not) at the equilibrium point of supply and demand.

Second, none of the salaries are indicative of rankings of these fine folks as much as people would like to draw that conclusion.

NYRA is blessed to have John Imbriale - not just for his announcing skills, but all of the roles he has filled in 30+ years with the organization. NYRA also has the ability to tap Anthony, Frank Mirahmadi, or Chris Griffin as needed and they are all fine. I would welcome Travis Stone to this lineup in a heartbeat. Name one other organization in the country that can claim this prestige.
Are you his agent?
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Old 07-23-2022, 10:32 PM   #58
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The point isn't whether announcing adds value. It's about when and where it makes a business case for paying more for something better. You could have Kissinger in his monotone calling NYRA races. People wouldn't use that to switch over to CD or Tampa because the quality of the NYRA racing product insures the crowd will follow the racing. If you want to complain that the announcing at Mahoning Valley drives people away (example only), that might be a business case for spending more.
Man you seem to just accept anything. The best meet should have the best announcer. Period.
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If Stabile filled in, it was very rarely. I know he did in prior years but that was cut way back if he called at all.
I suspect he is a last minute substitute when there's not enough time for Chris Griffin to come in from Philadelphia.
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Old 07-24-2022, 06:01 AM   #60
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NYRA needs someone like Howie Rose .....

Wait for it ......3:26



Please don't tell me about the no-hitter that wasn't a no-hitter...LOL



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