Keeneland post wrong order of finish

[Boomer]

Keeneland takes 5-10 minutes after the race to post the Official. Far slower than any other track. I guess the during that lapse they must be taking a crap or jerking each other off. Clearly they were not paying attention.


Than I ask....Why these exorbitant delays?

[jay68802]

Really don't care about the delay. Seems they had to get the dollars that were paid out on the wrong tickets back from the ADW's. Then they knew what they had left for the pools. Then do payouts on the pools that they had left. Lot of things going on for those 10 minutes.

[Elkchester Road]

Originally Posted by Tom

If you are sitting next to a guy who cashed the wrong ticket but didn't, it is abysmal to you.

The track should have paid both and chalked it up to education.

Exactly, Tom. Some people don't think that should be so, though.

[PaceAdvantage]

This is sort of akin to when a bank makes the rare error and deposits a substantial sum into the wrong account.

That person NEVER gets to keep the money...and if they spend it, tough shit, you still have to give it back or face the legal consequences.

So really, people who had the wrong combo should be very grateful that they got paid anything. As long as tracks/ADWs pay those who had the valid order of finish, that's all that matters.

[Jeff P]

Originally Posted by Tom

...The track should have paid both and chalked it up to education.

I ran some some basic calculations to sanity check place pool amts wagered on #3 and #9 vs. the actual place mutuel payoffs for #3 and #9, and it appears that's exactly what they did.

In other words, whatever money was paid out to place pool ticket holders of #8 appears to have been done at Keeneland's expense.

However, ADW players who are still waiting to be made whole for their place wagers on #9 or for wagers on the correct tri 3-9-8:

That is another matter entirely.


-jp

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[Tom]

People who cashed on track keep it, end of story.
Others are not getting paid, that is my point. Thy are screwing X percentage of their customers.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Tom

People who cashed on track keep it, end of story.

Of course. It's the anonymous nature of betting on track...there would be no way for the track to get back that money...even though legally, they might be entitled to it depending on how the laws are set up concerning this type of thing.

ADWs are a different story.

[Tom]

That is why it incumbent on the track to put processes ion place to ensure this doesn't happen.

Relying on one employee is not acceptable.

[jameegray1]

Originally Posted by green80

I don't know the law in Kentucky but state law in Louisiana says any result declared official must be paid out. When you get into changing official results you can open up a whole new can of worms. I have seen it here where the track paid on the incorrect result and the corrected result to stay legal.

If I remember rightly, the correct result was originally declared official at the track. The first time the incorrect result was shown was when the payoffs screen was first displayed.

[Franco Santiago]

Originally Posted by green80

I don't know the law in Kentucky but state law in Louisiana says any result declared official must be paid out. When you get into changing official results you can open up a whole new can of worms. I have seen it here where the track paid on the incorrect result and the corrected result to stay legal.

This is a very a good point. I guess "official" doesn't really mean "official", does it? When I win a bet, I always feel like I am going to get the money when the race is declared official. Now I have to wait for an OFFICIAL official. LOL!!


But let's think about this: we all know how tough this game is. Sometimes it's maddenly tough. And then there are times, like when we win, where all the toughness becomes worth it. Imagine being someone who did a masterful job of handicapping, then saw the horses run in the order they predicted, and then saw that there was no inquiry (and yes, we all look for THAT when we win, right?), and THEN saw that they didn't get paid!! OMG.

[classhandicapper]

There is an inherent problem with making a race "official" and then clawing back the money, but in this case we know a "mistake" was made (most likely manual). There was no effort to cheat anyone. No horrible stewards decision was made. So I don't think there's much to complain about. Everyone that was supposed to get paid based on the actual result got paid and a few people got a bonus.

[mountainman]

I just can not fathom how anyone could consider himself a victim in this.
Am I missing something here? Seriously.

[PalaceOfFortLarned]

Originally Posted by mountainman

I just can not fathom how anyone could consider himself a victim in this.
Am I missing something here? Seriously.

No.

Some just feel the need to complain.

[Tom]

Hey, some people like a low bar...

[Elkchester Road]

Originally Posted by mountainman

I just can not fathom how anyone could consider himself a victim in this.
Am I missing something here? Seriously.

Understood, Mark.

For what it's worth...Distance Racing...Dirt or Turf...is above my pay grade in Handicapping. I had no dog in this fight.