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Old 06-04-2011, 02:22 AM   #1
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Need Puzzle Help II

First, let me congratulate Greyfox on his absolute ignorance of 'The Hangover', and of Zach "I'm No Jim Backus" Galifianakis.



Now:

Swimming sensation's addendum receives succor. 6 letters, proper.
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Old 06-04-2011, 02:35 AM   #2
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First, let me congratulate Greyfox on his absolute ignorance of 'The Hangover', and of Zach "I'm No Jim Backus" Galifianakis.



Now:

Swimming sensation's addendum receives succor. 6 letters, proper.
And starting a new thread with that comment shows your class.
Thankyou.
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Old 06-04-2011, 03:03 AM   #3
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Swimming sensation's addendum receives succor. 6 letters, proper.

I'm still up handicapping the races for tomorrow and keeping what's left of my mind sharp with these puzzlers.

I only know two swimming sensations, Spitz and Phelps. Has to be PHELPS.

succor = help
addendum = ps, so ps "receives" help to give us P-HELP-S.

Good night, all!


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Old 06-04-2011, 10:27 AM   #4
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Native American carried around one with firewater (9)

Agitated French caper (7)

Treatment for other people hit internally (7)

Bowl while protected by box? (4)

Dismembering insects, it could be his specialty (9)
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Old 06-04-2011, 11:18 AM   #5
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Correction: 5 letters not 4

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Native American carried around one with firewater (9)

Agitated French caper (7)

Treatment for other people hit internally (7)

Bowl while protected by box? (4)

Dismembering insects, it could be his specialty (9)
Correction: Five letters are required for the clue:


Bowl while protected by box? (5)
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Old 06-04-2011, 11:34 AM   #6
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[b
Agitated French caper [/b](7)

caper = antic
French = fr

FRANTIC = agitated


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Old 06-04-2011, 08:30 PM   #7
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Dismembering insects, it could be his specialty (9)
scientist
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Old 06-04-2011, 09:55 PM   #8
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Treatment for other people hit internally (7)
therapy (treatment)(the- + rap + -y)
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Correction: Five letters are required for the clue:


Bowl while protected by box? (5)
basin (b- + as + -in)
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Old 06-04-2011, 11:35 PM   #10
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"How to do Cryptics + 1 Remains"

YES!
Four clues have been taken succesfully.
The only one not justified was Overlay's response of "Scientist"
which is an anagram of "insects it" in the clue:

Dismembering insects, it could be his specialty (9)
The puzzler told the solvers to take apart "insects it" and implied was the anagram to get "his specialtly."


The original Need Puzzle Help thread was started by toetoe and drew
over 63,000 hits, which is probably a record for this board.

Toetoe's kickoff of this new thread was very disappointing in the sense that it might discourage new and some routine solvers from trying cryptics here.
I don't think that he intended that for sure.

The success of Need Puzzle Help was absolutely Outstanding.
Thankyou toetoe, and thankyou for starting Need Puzzle Help II

I've brought over Overlay's suggestions on How to Do Cryptics from the original thread.
Newcomers to the board are most likely to check into the first page.
So this is a good place to put them.
I think they should be repeated again....perhaps a few thousand posts down the line.

Study these:

anagram: the answer is derived by rearranging the letters of another word contained in or suggested by the clue, such as "changing times" as a wordplay clue for "items", with the clue wording ("changing" in this example) indicating the alteration or rearrangement

deletion: the answer is derived by deleting a letter from a word given or suggested by the clue, such as "uncovered bent charm" as a wordplay clue for "enchant" ("penchant" ("bent") - p (i.e., the word "penchant" is "uncovered") = enchant ("charm"))(referred to as a beheadment, since the first letter is taken off); "fiery bird without a tail" for "flaming" (flamingo - o)(referred to as a curtailment, since the last letter is taken off, as indicated by "without a tail"); and "heartless miserly bloke" for "chap" (cheap - e) (referred to as an internal deletion, since a letter is deleted in the middle of the clue word (as indicated in this case by the word becoming "heartless") to get the answer)

charade: the answer is broken into smaller words that are clued individually, such as "auto animal" ("car" + "pet") for "carpet"

container: a word is inserted into another word to make up the answer, with the clue wording indicating this relationship, such as "Hospital residents make knots in trousers" for "patients" (pa- + tie + -nts)

hidden answer: the answer may appear intact in the clue, although perhaps in camouflaged form, such as "myopic colonel clutches flute" for "piccolo", where the word "clutches" indicates the concealment of the answer in the words "myopic colonel"

homophone: a word that sounds like the answer, generally accompanied by a word or phrase indicating that fact, such as "we hear" or "as they say", as in "counted frozen chicken out loud" as a clue for "numbered" ("numb bird" pronounced "out loud")

reversal: a clue where the order of the letters in a word are reversed to get the answer, with the wording of the clue providing an indication of the reversal, such as "returned beer fit for a king" as a clue for "regal" ("fit for a king")("lager" (beer") spelled backward ("returned"))

double definitions: a clue where the wordplay consists of two straight definitions of the answer, such as "scooter was blue" for "moped".


In the meanwhile, this clue still remains to be solved:

Native American carried around one with firewater (9)

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Old 06-05-2011, 12:40 AM   #11
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Could Native American be Choctaw?

I assume firewater is the liquor but cannot find 9 letter one , but wildly
came up with Chocolate and there is a chocolate firewater fondue.

Native American carried around one with firewater (9) chocolate???

--------------------------------------------------------------------------Substance??

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Correction: 163,383 Hits

163,383 hits!

Oops. I was 100,000 hits out. Need Puzzle Help drew 100,000 more hits than I reported above.

Sorry, nijinski, try again.
There is no use submitting a word like Choctaw which for starters does not have the required number of letters.

Hint: The answer to this one is more Native than American.

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Old 06-05-2011, 04:50 AM   #13
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Without "The Master" what fun is any of it?

The Cucamonga Kid is sorely missed.

What a shame.
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Could Native American be Choctaw?

I assume firewater is the liquor but cannot find 9 letter one , but wildly
came up with Chocolate and there is a chocolate firewater fondue.

Native American carried around one with firewater (9) chocolate???

--------------------------------------------------------------------------Substance??
The way I read the clue, I would look for the eight-letter name of a Native American tribe, to which the letter "i" can added (without rearranging the order of the letters) to produce the name of an alcolholic beverage, or a term related to alcoholic beverages.
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Old 06-05-2011, 11:27 AM   #15
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The way I read the clue, I would look for the eight-letter name of a Native American tribe, to which the letter "i" can added (without rearranging the order of the letters) to produce the name of an alcolholic beverage, or a term related to alcoholic beverages.
Native American carried around one with firewater (9)



That approach will not work on this clue. There is no need to come up with the name of an American tribe in this instance, although in others there might be.

For newcomers, every cryptic has two parts:
1. A Straight Definition - a word or more that defines what we are looking for.

2. Wordplay - the rest of the words in the clue are used to decipher or construct the answer, which in this case is 9 letters long.

3. Using Overlay's list above the actual answer here is a combination of
a charade and a container.

Hint: The Straight Definition is Native
(American is used as part of the Wordplay.)
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