obama care ruling

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

A huge feather in Obama's cap.
A blow to Romney's aspirations.
His threat to repeal it will be perceived as hollow.
Paying attention to it will take him off the economy and jobs.
Although ultimately it will be at the center of economy and jobs.
The cost of this in light of the National Debt is going to mean a weakening of the military industrial complex.
A huge step forward for socialism and Obama's agenda to change America.

Yes, this is a huge step. For all practical intent and purposes, we are now a socialist country. There is nothing the federal government cannot force us to do. They control our health care. They control our energy. They control our private property (through the income tax). They control our real property (through the EPA). Now they're they've sets their sights increasingly on our food. The only nail left to stick in our coffin is to nullify or at least neutralize (gut) the 2nd Amendment. This will be very, very high on libs' agenda.

Boxcar

[lsbets]

While I'd like to find a silver lining in that a majority of the court held that Congress' power under the Commerce Clause is not unlimited, the effect is the same. Roberts found a cowardly way out by upholding the mandate under taxing power.

To those who oppose this assault on liberty, there is only one thing to do. Strike. Give the mosty's and goren's exactly what they want. Withdraw your efforts from our tyrannical government and let the looters and moochers attempt to survive on their own. They can't. Eventually it will all come crashing down. Any nation where the unearned is celebrated and the earned is condemned is a nation doomed to failure. Speed that failure along and be ready to step in when the time is right. For now, do nothing to support the evil coming from Washington.

[BlueShoe]

I'm going to try and look for a silver lining to this disaster and predict that this could be a very costly victory for Obama and the Democrats. The right wing of the GOP and the Tea Party will be absolutely galvanized. Undecided voters that were opposed to Obamacare could now go for Romney. GOP candidates for the House and Senate vowing to overturn and repeal Obamacare may pick up votes. If Romney wins and the Republicans at least hold onto the House Obamacare is gone. If they should also win the Senate it will be gone even faster. The November election could be 2010 all over again.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

do you agree with him here? was this a brilliant decision? I mean even Kennedy voted it down.
how did he find that this was a tax when none of the lower courts did?

I haven't read the opinion yet, but I'm not going to let one decision change my opinion of him. Once I've read the opinion, I'll let you know if agree with the reasoning (not that it matters what I think).

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

A huge feather in Obama's cap.
A blow to Romney's aspirations.
His threat to repeal it will be perceived as hollow.
Paying attention to it will take him off the economy and jobs.
Although ultimately it will be at the center of economy and jobs.
The cost of this in light of the National Debt is going to mean a weakening of the military industrial complex.
A huge step forward for socialism and Obama's agenda to change America.

i see it quite differently. I think this helps Romney a lot.
Having the court strike it down was always plan B, and considered up until recently a longshot.
The energy to repeal it will only grow now, it will energize the right, they will dig in now because of what is at stake.
This is a big part of what is wrong with the economy. Obamacare is the largest tax hike in history.
No it's not over.
I'd rather the court scrapped it entirely now, but in a perverse way it might turn out better in the end.
I'm telling you if Romney keeps vowing to kill it once elected it won't ring hollow, in fact it might be just the thing he needs to take him over the top.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by Tom

In his wildest dreams, Osama Bin Laden could never have done this damage to our economy.

Justice Roberts to America - Go F yourselves.

Clearly a bought and paid for traitor.
Benedict Arnold has been replaced.

RIP America.

As Scalia has said "just because a law is stupid, that doesn't necessarily make it unconstitutional."

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

i see it quite differently. I think this helps Romney a lot.
Having the court strike it down was always plan B, and considered up until recently a longshot.
The energy to repeal it will only grow now, it will energize the right, they will dig in now because of what is at stake.
This is a big part of what is wrong with the economy. Obamacare is the largest tax hike in history.
No it's not over.
I'd rather the court scrapped it entirely now, but in a perverse way it might turn out better in the end.
I'm telling you if Romney keeps vowing to kill it once elected it won't ring hollow, in fact it might be just the thing he needs to take him over the top.

I agree with you for slightly different reasons - I think this fires up the base---big time!

[Robert Goren]

A question for you penny pinching conservatives, Are you mad at your state AGs for wasting your taxes?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike

I haven't read the opinion yet, but I'm not going to let one decision change my opinion of him. Once I've read the opinion, I'll let you know if agree with the reasoning (not that it matters what I think).

same here, I'm waiting to read it.
I had always considered him brilliant, but this one really puzzles me.
They're saying that the Scalia dissent actually reads like it was supposed to be the majority opinion. If thats true what happened? who got to Roberts?

did they bring in some relative from the old country like in godfather II?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

A question for you penny pinching conservatives, Are you mad at your state AGs for wasting your taxes?

no. it wasn't a waste, it was entirely necessary to get the courts ruling.
you have no chance of winning the case if you don't bring it.
They money is a non issue as I'm sure you are aware.
fyi, the states had somewhat of a victory on medicaid.
the feds cannot penalize them now if they choose not to expand medicaid. how much is that worth?

[toetoe]

Can we stay focused on the important stuff, please ? Ann Curry is out as the 'Today' anchor, okay ?

[DJofSD]

For those of you happy about the ruling, how do you plan to pay for your government mandated health insurance?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike

As Scalia has said "just because a law is stupid, that doesn't necessarily make it unconstitutional."

This ruling is unconstitutional.
Nowhere is the constitution does the SC have the power to impose taxes.
Only Congress can do that. They did NOT do that with this law. In fact, the Obama scoundrels went to great lengths to declare this was NOT a tax. The extend of the SC power was to decide and either decide if it stood, or sent it back for revisions. They chose to impose a tax that was never voted on by elected representatives.

The Constitution died today and with it, America is now dead.
The only direction I support now is wholesale secession of the states.
The USA no longer is a nation of the people, by the people and for the people.

btw. the court's decision went to press today. Yo can order a copy now, it comes in either 2 ply or 4 ply.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by DJofSD

For those of you happy about the ruling, how do you plan to pay for your government mandated health insurance?

Welfare and food stamps.
I see no reason to continue to have a job - it is pretty stupid to be one of the ones working and paying. Jobs are for suckers.

[so.cal.fan]

"judas" Roberts was either intimidated, paid off or the smartest son of a bitch on the SC.
He's given Romney the ammunition to win this election.
TAXES.
Anyone hear that part of this Obamacare bill will raise our capital gains taxes another 6%?
It's isn't all about "THE ECONOMY STUPID", it's now about the TAXES STUPID, yes, that is what it is now about.

Romney and Republicans win if they push this.
People care about their wallets. This hurts everyone's wallet.
The "progressive-socialist-marxist" government/economy is:

UNSUSTAINABLE.