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08-25-2012, 10:05 PM
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Location: central fla.
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more unexplainable NYRA pay-off rules
came into play today...
p/3 w/the bomb 3 DH...paid more than p/4...almost DOUBLE 
In other words....w/a DH...p/4 payoff's THE same regardless of odds on horses...whilst p/3 is divided by odds...absolutely CONFOUNDING...astonishing...brilliant... 
Lucky for me...I didn't play the p/4 
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08-25-2012, 10:29 PM
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Really is crazy - I was wondering why they didn't post the longer P4 payoff and then found out there wasn't one!
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08-25-2012, 10:39 PM
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Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Yep, that's a crushing beat in the pick 4 if you have the longshot and you DH with the favorite and get the same price. There must be some reason they do it that way, im just not sure what it is.
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08-26-2012, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Stillriledup
There must be some reason they do it that way,
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I can't think of any good one. ??
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08-26-2012, 06:42 AM
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Slope Handicapping ™
Join Date: Nov 2009
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It's a NYSR&WB Rule, so all tracks in NY must follow, not just NYRA:
(h) Dead heats. In the event of a dead heat for win in any or all pick four races, all pick four tickets designating either horse to win in said race or races shall be eligible for participation in the remaining pick four races, and the net pool shall be equally distributed to the winners, that is, the net pool will be divided by the total amount represented by all winning tickets and the resulting price, per dollar, and after breakage, shall be the payoff price, which shall be uniform for any winning combination.
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08-26-2012, 08:23 AM
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I hit the pick4 on my backup ticket. I had all in the last leg. Everyone was so shocked that it paid so little, and maybe I should'be been upset, but in my eyes it paid around $245 more with the dead heat than it would've with only the 6 winning... which it sure looked like the 6 got up, but man were we screaming for david cohen... he gave the ride of his life.
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08-26-2012, 10:45 AM
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The Voice of Reason!
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Canandaigua, New york
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Originally Posted by Rise Over Run
It's a NYSR&WB Rule, so all tracks in NY must follow, not just NYRA:
(h) Dead heats. In the event of a dead heat for win in any or all pick four races, all pick four tickets designating either horse to win in said race or races shall be eligible for participation in the remaining pick four races, and the net pool shall be equally distributed to the winners, that is, the net pool will be divided by the total amount represented by all winning tickets and the resulting price, per dollar, and after breakage, shall be the payoff price, which shall be uniform for any winning combination.
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Another thread bashing the wrong organization.
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08-26-2012, 11:29 AM
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gelding
Join Date: Oct 2008
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Steve Christ bemoaned it in his blog yesterday:
http://www.drf.com/blogs/saratoga-day-32-82512
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Before you start yelling at me about it: Yes, it makes no sense how dead-heats are handled parimutuelly in NY, a topic I have tried to get anyone at the NYRA or the NYSRWB to address for years without success.
The quick version is that they pay out in proportion in the win pool, the double pool, exactas, trifectas, superfectas and pick-3's, but treat the dead-heat winners as if they were the identical price in pick-4's and pick-6's. Anyone who actually used Golden Ticket in either of those bets got a lot less than he should have.
There is absolutely no reason that p-4's and p-6's can't be treated the same proportional way as every other pool.
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08-26-2012, 12:07 PM
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Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2012
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Si2see
but man were we screaming for david cohen... he gave the ride of his life.
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The other day, I put my wallet in my pocket, a rear pocket with a zipper, and pulled the zipper closed. My wallet contained a large sum of money that my boss wanted me to drop off to a client. My boss was 'screaming' for me not to lose my wallet before I got to the client's office. Half way there, I was a LOCK. Then just before I was about to walk into the client's office , I lost my wallet. 
It was certainly the (train) 'ride of' my 'life' to the client's office. And my boss was very understanding.
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08-26-2012, 01:05 PM
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Location: Queens, NY
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At some point this issue almost had to have been discussed before it was programmed. You have to wonder what the thinking was.
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08-26-2012, 04:34 PM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
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Originally Posted by FantasticDan
Steve Christ
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If I only had a dollar for every time I see this or Lucas, I'd be a rich man...
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08-26-2012, 04:45 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Off the Turnpike
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
If I only had a dollar for every time I see this or Lucas, I'd be a rich man...
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It's Divine Intervention.
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08-26-2012, 08:14 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
If I only had a dollar for every time I see this or Lucas, I'd be a rich man...
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Don't forget Jerkins.
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08-26-2012, 09:14 PM
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Just another Facist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Now in Houston
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
If I only had a dollar for every time I see this or Lucas, I'd be a rich man...
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It's dependent on your point of view I guess.
Next time I decide to cuss I will use it.
" Steven H. Christ!"
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08-27-2012, 06:55 PM
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Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 2,021
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NYRA Pick 4 Dead-heat rule
I apologize in advance if this has been covered recently.
Can someone please explain to me the logic behind the pick four rule where the entire pool is just split among ALL the winning tickets equally rather than doing the normal dead-heat process and halving the payouts like they do in the pick three??
I am not trying to bash NYRA or start a fury around this but does anyone know if this is the process at other tracks too? I was only somewhat informed on this rule but the Alpha/Golden Ticket Dead Heat really opened my eyes, especially this:
Pick 3 ending with Travers
8-1-3 (Golden Ticket) $1,907.00
8-1-6 (Alpha) $141.50
Pick 4 ending in Travers 2/9-8-1-3/6 $990.00
I did NOT play this pick four sequence, however I did play Golden Ticket intra-race only and considered playing a pick four but did not due to staying within my ticket strategy guidelines........and boy am I glad I didn't....
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