Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board

Go Back   Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board > Thoroughbred Horse Racing Discussion > General Racing Discussion


Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old 05-06-2021, 07:51 PM   #1
46zilzal
velocitician
 
46zilzal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 26,297
Trakus and Woodbine

Just received a note from the Equibase chartman at Woodbine, P.T.

quote: "Just wanted to let you know that Trakus has apparently removed their equipment from WO. "
__________________
"If this world is all about winners, what's for the losers?" Jr. Bonner: "Well somebody's got to hold the horses Ace."
46zilzal is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-06-2021, 08:02 PM   #2
PhantomOnTour
C'est Tout
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Cajunland
Posts: 13,272
Well, it’s a start
__________________
How do I work this?
-David Byrne
PhantomOnTour is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-06-2021, 10:21 PM   #3
cj
@TimeformUSfigs
 
cj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,828
Woodbine used GMAX last year (and the year before if I'm not mistaken) as the official timer and provided charts just like Trakus did. Trakus equipment was in place and Trakus charts available, but they've been pretty much out for a while now.
cj is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-07-2021, 12:22 AM   #4
JustRalph
Just another Facist
 
JustRalph's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Now in Houston
Posts: 52,813
Damn shame. I had high hopes for Trakus 10 yrs back
JustRalph is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-07-2021, 12:50 AM   #5
cj
@TimeformUSfigs
 
cj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,828
Quote:
Originally Posted by JustRalph View Post
Damn shame. I had high hopes for Trakus 10 yrs back
Still around at a few tracks, but only the timer for a couple officially, probably going the way of the saber-tooth tiger.
cj is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-07-2021, 09:29 AM   #6
classhandicapper
Registered User
 
classhandicapper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Queens, NY
Posts: 20,613
Despite the occasional errors, Trakus makes my job WAY easier. When I watch replays at a Trakus track, I always have the ground loss data available.

Sometimes it's difficult to get reasonably accurate ground loss from the replay because of the angle available, no head on available, or horses being off the screen. With Trakus, I have a much easier time finding the horses and estimating their path at various stages on each turn.

I wish the resources were available to improve and expand on it.

There may be a few figure makers that do all that work manually and then sell their figures at a premium that are happy that never happened, but it's hard to imagine it's 2021, ground is not in the PPs, and I watch hours of replays every week to get information like that. It's not subjective.
__________________
"Unlearning is the highest form of learning"
classhandicapper is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-07-2021, 09:37 AM   #7
46zilzal
velocitician
 
46zilzal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 26,297
Quote:
Originally Posted by cj View Post
Woodbine used GMAX last year (and the year before if I'm not mistaken) as the official timer and provided charts just like Trakus did. Trakus equipment was in place and Trakus charts available, but they've been pretty much out for a while now.
Trakus TRIED to promote itself as a timing system: NEVER worked adequately as their techs were around almost daily in the early days of that attempt.

I was not to be.

Clockers (back ups) routinely complained that it was off particularly in the early fractions,and particularly on the grass
__________________
"If this world is all about winners, what's for the losers?" Jr. Bonner: "Well somebody's got to hold the horses Ace."
46zilzal is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-07-2021, 11:24 AM   #8
cj
@TimeformUSfigs
 
cj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,828
Quote:
Originally Posted by 46zilzal View Post
Trakus TRIED to promote itself as a timing system: NEVER worked adequately as their techs were around almost daily in the early days of that attempt.

I was not to be.

Clockers (back ups) routinely complained that it was off particularly in the early fractions,and particularly on the grass
Anybody that has read my posts here knows I've long said Trakus should have never been used for timing. Even today after more than a decade, there are still far too many egregious errors. Some tracks jumped in blindly without doing their due diligence, others used it for what it is good at (ground loss) but kept the timing part already in place. All blame doesn't go on Trakus.

Last edited by cj; 05-07-2021 at 11:28 AM.
cj is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-07-2021, 03:18 PM   #9
Tom
The Voice of Reason!
 
Tom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Canandaigua, New york
Posts: 112,887
So I have an idea for a brand new track.
We built it with a synthetic track, install Trakus, and ban whips.
Oh, and race two days a week with a 5 stall gate.


Should be a money pot!
__________________
Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
Tom is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Reply





Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

» Advertisement
» Current Polls
Wh deserves to be the favorite? (last 4 figures)
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:55 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 1999 - 2023 -- PaceAdvantage.Com -- All Rights Reserved
We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program
designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.