Thread for Russian Attack on Ukraine

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Tom

For those million and growing number of refugees
For those hiding in subways for fear of missiles
For those who have lost loved ones
For those who will fall in the coming weeks

F your obbsession with "rules"
Were'nt you the one whinning and crying about the Sorries killing that reporter a couple of years ago? Talk is cheap.

NATO is a defensive alliance.

That's the charter and what countries signed up for.

I explained this to you already with the no fly zone post...

NATO can't do it.

The US can't do it without staging/host countries.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

I'll let this guy explain it...this video was made almost 7 years ago...and was based on the revolution, unrest and the Russian-Ukraine war of 2014 that resulted in Crimea being taken by the Russians.

But it totally applies in the runup to the war we are witnessing today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4&t=110s

A screenshot from the above presentation back in 2015...does it look familiar?

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by MargieRose

Thank you. I'll be sure to watch it.

The video is only about 40 minutes long if you ignore the Q&A at the end...so it's not as long as it seems.

[PaceAdvantage]

I will say that if this war is going as badly for Russia as is being reported in some outlets, it's pretty shocking and downright embarrassing for Putin.

11,000 troops already lost? POWs on TV telling fellow Russian troops to disobey their commanders....denouncing Russia and Putin?

This is rather amazing when you take it at face value (but I tend not to believe anything I see or read in the conventional media, so there's that).

Even in that video I posted above from 2015, the professor states that if you want to destroy Putin and Russia, get them to go on a full invasion of Ukraine. He argued almost seven years ago that this would be a disastrous move for Putin.

However, you're still fucking with a country that has 6,000+ nuclear warheads at their disposal. And that continues to be my major concern.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

A screenshot from the above presentation back in 2015...does it look familiar?

No.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

No.

It's exactly what they are saying today, 6.5 years later.

ergo...the song remains the same

There should be an expiration date on propaganda...lol

Putin was no Hitler back in 2014-2015...and he's even LESS of a Hitler now...in no way is Russia or Putin anywhere near the military threat Hitler was...EXCEPT for the nuclear missiles...and it always comes back to that for me.

[PaceAdvantage]

Have no fear people...we have found who the real enemy in all this is...yup...you guessed it...it's Trump...

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/06/polit...ine/index.html

Never let a crisis go to waste I guess.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

NATO is a defensive alliance.

That's the charter and what countries signed up for.

I explained this to you already with the no fly zone post...

NATO can't do it.

The US can't do it without staging/host countries.

Note to self: If you need reasons why nothing can be done, contact Ely.
If you need something done, don't waste your time. Look for a thinker, not a whiner.

[Inner Dirt]

Anyone care about Britney Griner? I hope they don't even trade a hotdog and a soda for her. She wanted the anthem to not be played before games. Even if she was set up, who cares. She is probably expecting the country she hates to save her ass from Russian jail.

[davew]

Putin has told Russians they are on a peacekeeping mission. They are in Ukraine to help protect the anti-war dissidents from the right wingers that are starting a civil war.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-Ukraine.html

[Tom]

Funny timing, watching the movie Killing Kenedy this morning on TV.
Good thing JFK didn't have Ely around to advise him in '62, or Cuba would be overrun with missiles today.

[woodtoo]

In 2020 Russia owed IMF almost $17 Billion dollars and owed
Paris&London Club of Creditors $36 Billion, they paid off their debt and since then and have invested heavily in gold. Their monetary banking system is debt free and strong. They could/may crush the American dollar and their Katrillion dollar in debt banking system.

All of the west is in a frantic panic to stop this from happening. Despite what the propagandized media spews Russia has the upper hand by a thousand aces. Think BRICS they are so much stronger than the west, NATO, UN, WEF wants you to know.
The Federal Reserve has NO gold, it is all useless paper.

[woodtoo]

Watched the Oliver Stone documentary- Ukraine on Fire- last week on YouTube it reveals who many of the players are and the games they play.

[Marshall Bennett]

Lifestyles of the Russian citizens aren't that much different than those of the Ukrainians. Only leadership defines the differences.
The general rule is not to get involved in other country's civil wars, though we've been guilty in the past of doing so. For all practical purposes, what we're seeing here is a civil war. I suppose as of now those general rules are out the window globally, and therefore its a moral duty for each nation to choose sides.
This truly is one fked up world!!

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Tom

Note to self: If you need reasons why nothing can be done, contact Ely.
If you need something done, don't waste your time. Look for a thinker, not a whiner.

I didn't say nothing can be done.

Simply pointed out the obstacles to what you want done.

In the real world there are issues... like having places to land your planes.