Thread for Russian Attack on Ukraine

[davew]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

Pretty sure in 2021 America lost $86 billion dollars of equipment in just one day.

COME ON MAN, they checked with the post office and decided it would cost to much to ship the stuff home.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Technically you're right the Ukrainians can invite us.

The issue is that can't be a NATO operation as it goes against the articles of the Treaty. It would likely just be us, the French, and the UK.

Then those planes have to come from somewhere... we can't get a Carrier anywhere near close enough so they'll have to be based out of somewhere. Probably Poland and Romania.

Those countries would then have to give permission knowing doing so means they now can't trigger NATO Article 5 if Russia responds.

Now assuming all of that is addressed the last issue is all of this would play in to Putin's domestic propaganda campaign that the real aggressor is the west and not Russia.

Maybe it is time to trigger Article 5.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

We're still a net exporter.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/de...20last%20year.

Not of crude oil.

That started going south about 2018 according to the chart you linked.

That Trump has some splainin' to do....

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by mrhorseplayer

isnt zelensky a dictator as well?

Well, he did shut down opposition media outlets and I believe he jailed potential political opponents, but hey...who's counting?

The opposition media outlets were RUSSIAN (duh)...

Anyhoo, as snopes would put it...it might be a MIXTURE in terms of true or not.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Karakorum Kabbage

Pretty sure you're wrong.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/09/re...ary-equipment/

Those dirty lying Republicans...they should all be locked up

Use the Zelensky method...

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

I understand you're all hyper-partisan so the fact this conflict is going better than we could have possibly imagined has you all grasping at straws.

This kind of bullshit is beneath even you, as much as it pains me to type something like that.

First off, it's not going better than "we" (whoever WE is...) could have possibly imagined. Ask Ukrainian citizens how they think things are going in their country. Are they part of the WE?

Ask Biden how it's going, since before the war, he publicly stated the sanctions in place were meant to DETER an invasion. Thus, his administration FAILED at that goal. Is that going better then imagined?

Now we move onto the war itself. WE (and I assume you mean the USA) have little say in the ACTUAL WAR...so we have pretty much NO CONTROL on the outcome...thus, it's not really OUR victory lap to take if it goes swimmingly from here on out, is it? It would be the FAILURE of Putin and the Russian Army, would it not? And to a lesser extent, the better then expected ability of Ukraine to hold them at bay for longer than expected.

For the record, this war should NEVER have happened in the FIRST PLACE. THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS GOING BETTER THAN POSSIBLY IMAGINED.

Until the dust settles, which is going to take a much longer time then all the immediate gratification under-40 folks realize, WE have NO CLUE how this is going to turn out.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

These aren't MANPADS...

Looks like there are still some S300 Batteries near Kharkiv.

https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/st...11466545467392

Looks like those downed aircraft were able to carry out their mission, if the explosions on the ground are any indication, right before whatever that was blew up in the air...

[PaceAdvantage]

Russian forces again attacking nuke sites?

This doesn't sound "better than expected" to me...what is going on?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-Kharkiv.html

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-force...154708014.html

[PaceAdvantage]

War in "breadbasket" threatens food supply

Does this sound like "better than expected outcome?"

Nope...sounds like "nobody thought ahead"

https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...73023b68d39a70

[Marshall Bennett]

The longer this war goes, the less sympathetic I am towards this Ukrainian president. He had warnings and plenty of evidence that Putin was going to attack, not to mention the troop buildup at the border. He could have negotiated with Putin and come to an agreement. True, he would have been on the losing end, but look at the lives it would have saved. I see him as a leader willing to sacrifice his people to save his own worthless ass. His approval rating with his own people before the war was 20%, so even they didn't like him much. He knows now he'll eventually be hunted down and killed.
So fight to the bitter end he says, and send us more weapons and aid. Chances are the Russians are taking most off it while marching in.
I'm in no way defending Putin and his savagery, but this turd isn't any better for taking his country through holy hell.
He even looks and sounds like a fkn coward.

[PaceAdvantage]

US Foreign policy has been pushing Ukraine along this path all along.

Listen to that Univ of Chicago professor talk about it six years ago. He saw this coming a mile away.

It's no wonder ely considers the situation in Ukraine to be a win so far for US.

This is exactly what the geniuses manning those think-tanks wanted.

They don't care one bit if Ukraine gets crushed along the way.

But they'll do a nice job of faking it.

[Karakorum Kabbage]

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[Tom]

Originally Posted by Marshall Bennett

The longer this war goes, the less sympathetic I am towards this Ukrainian president. He had warnings and plenty of evidence that Putin was going to attack, not to mention the troop buildup at the border. He could have negotiated with Putin and come to an agreement. True, he would have been on the losing end, but look at the lives it would have saved. I see him as a leader willing to sacrifice his people to save his own worthless ass. His approval rating with his own people before the war was 20%, so even they didn't like him much. He knows now he'll eventually be hunted down and killed.
So fight to the bitter end he says, and send us more weapons and aid. Chances are the Russians are taking most off it while marching in.
I'm in no way defending Putin and his savagery, but this turd isn't any better for taking his country through holy hell.
He even looks and sounds like a fkn coward.

Stop me if you've heard this one before....
Power-mad dictator wants to put his fallen empire back togethere, makes claim that all he wants to is this one incursion to reunite many of his own citizens, but he has already written a manifesto outlining his real goals of massive nation-grabbing, but he signs a peace agreement assurring peace.

Anyone know that one turned out?

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Tom

Maybe it is time to trigger Article 5.

For who?

Nobody in NATO is under attack.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Not of crude oil.

That started going south about 2018 according to the chart you linked.

That Trump has some splainin' to do....

I don't think we've ever actually been big on sweet crude production.

Could be wrong though.

I didn't look over those charts to thoroughly to see the breakdown.