Remington Park Plans To Report Horse Weights

[cj]

Originally Posted by raybo

I agree, the entire industry will have to get behind this before it has any chance of impacting us significantly as handicappers. This is a factor that should have been available to the general racing public decades ago. There's no excuse for it not already being available. They weigh the jocks, pre-race and post-race, and people use that data frequently, but with the horse's current health status in question constantly, in the minds of handicappers, it never entered the industry's mindset at all? Ridiculous!

Just a prediction, it won't tell us much about form. I remember when they did this at Freehold years ago and you'd see big swings in weight, but they didn't really have any correlation to performance.

[Hoofless_Wonder]

Originally Posted by cj

Just a prediction, it won't tell us much about form. I remember when they did this at Freehold years ago and you'd see big swings in weight, but they didn't really have any correlation to performance.

Weight shifts are an excellent indicator of form on the Hong Kong circuit. Knowing a horse's size also (in theory) can help determine trip, though the ratio in differences isn't nearly as great as puppy racing.

I'll be interested to see if the magnitude of weight shifts provide any indication on differences in race day meds.

[Cratos]

Originally Posted by Hoofless_Wonder

Weight shifts are an excellent indicator of form on the Hong Kong circuit. Knowing a horse's size also (in theory) can help determine trip, though the ratio in differences isn't nearly as great as puppy racing.

I'll be interested to see if the magnitude of weight shifts provide any indication on differences in race day meds.

Weight (mass) is a fundamental input in determining the output of a moving object; that is physics 101.

However the "wannabes" is hung up on using an output, speed which show nothing without the required inputs.

[ronsmac]

Originally Posted by Cratos

Weight (mass) is a fundamental input in determining the output of a moving object; that is physics 101.

However the "wannabes" is hung up on using an output, speed which show nothing without the required inputs.

It'll be difficult to quantify without expert visual analysis which most of us don't have. Is the added weight muscle,water or fat? The same thing with the weight loss.

[Cratos]

Originally Posted by ronsmac

It'll be difficult to quantify without expert visual analysis which most of us don't have. Is the added weight muscle,water or fat? The same thing with the weight loss.

Wrong, quantitated mass doesn't need visual inspection. Mass is mass and it doesn't make any difference of its composition in determining its quantity.

What I believe you are attempting to debate is the disposition of mass over time with respect to distance.

This would take us from the mechanics of physics to thermodynamics to calculate burn rates which at this time is beyond the thesis of this thread.

[Tom]

However the "wannabes" is hung up on using an output, speed which show nothing without the required inputs.

And yet it is used successfully ever day by many people.To say it shows nothing only shows how little some people know about the game. They just wanna pretend they know it all.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by schweitz

Remington was doing this back in the 90s. I guess they stopped some point.

Wasn't that part of the data set from the short-lived DRF competitor?

Can't even remember the name.

[Stillriledup]

I approve. Hopefully other tracks will follow suit.

[Cratos]

It is very interesting that the poster on this forum who probably have more posts than any other never say anything but rhetoric.

However to this poster if speed is alone is as successful as you claim then prove it with fact.

[ronsmac]

Originally Posted by Cratos

Wrong, quantitated mass doesn't need visual inspection. Mass is mass and it doesn't make any difference of its composition in determining its quantity.

What I believe you are attempting to debate is the disposition of mass over time with respect to distance.

This would take us from the mechanics of physics to thermodynamics to calculate burn rates which at this time is beyond the thesis of this thread.

You know more than me. I'll take an in shape horse you take a skinny horse. Good luck.

[cj]

Originally Posted by TJDave

Wasn't that part of the data set from the short-lived DRF competitor?

Can't even remember the name.

Racing Times...not sure they ever published weight though, but I could be wrong.

[Cratos]

Originally Posted by ronsmac

You know more than me. I'll take an in shape horse you take a skinny horse. Good luck.

This is not about who know the most; it is about the weight of the horse from a quantitative value.

Also I believe what you are saying about the difference between water weight and muscle weight, but that is as I stated a different calculation.

[whodoyoulike]

Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike

I know the physiology of a dog and a horse are different, but doesn't greyhound racing report weights? When the greyhound's weight moves up or down, are there predictable performance changes? Maybe it's a bad analogy.

This reference to greyhounds is mentioned in the article.

[whodoyoulike]

Originally Posted by raybo

I read it yesterday, and thought immediately of Cratos (although I was also thinking of myself, too, if it ever becomes widely distributed in the proper formats).

Unfortunately, other tracks will have to incorporate it, and Equibase will have to cooperate to make it available to the various data vendors, and then the vendors will have to cooperate and make it available in their products, and unless you want to do the calculations manually (for the various performance/energy/form analysis functions) , data files must be available.

Sorry, I also thought of you also since you, Cratos and myself plus several others have been proponents of this type of info being made available in the pp's. We've discussed the availability of this info since it's currently avail in HKJC pp info and that it should be easily implemented. In the article they were going to pass the info along to Equibase if I remember correctly. Hopefully, they take the lead because it's usefulness will only be realized if the practice becomes widespread, IMO.

[schweitz]

Originally Posted by cj

Racing Times...not sure they ever published weight though, but I could be wrong.

I don't think they did either. Remington had prior weights on their racing programs (at least for horses who had raced at Remington before).