Delta cancels after running two races on a fast track?

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith

I just explained it to you. A vet will either call a rider over if he sees something he doesn't like or the rider will bring it to the vet if he feels something he doesn't like. The vet makes the decision to scratch or not. If he decides that in his opinion that the rider's concern is unfounded, the named jock is excused from the mount, and the horse is returned to the paddock for a late change - generally the 1%er you referred to who is there all day in the room as the "room rider", and whose job is to basically be the guy that will pick up anything that comes open since most other top jocks don't jump at the chance to rider something that another jock declines to ride.

Sometimes jocks have their minds made up going in that they really don't want to ride one and go out there knowing that if they make it out of the paddock and the horse ends up scratched based on their complaint to the vet, they're going to get paid.

Nowhere did I even remotely imply that a vet is going to force a jock to ride. If nobody in the room wants to pick it up, he's a scratch, but not a vet scratch, thus no list.

I think you implied that the vet has ultimate power and my point was that jocks 'play vet' quite often, that's all i was saying.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

I think you implied that the vet has ultimate power and my point was that jocks 'play vet' quite often, that's all i was saying.

In terms of calling up to the stewards and ordering a late vet scratch or a return to the paddock for a rider change, the vet does have the ultimate power.

If you want to backtrack some and restate it as more often than not, the vet will defer to the rider, then yes, obviously he/she will. Why wouldn't he/she? It's a horrible predicament to be in if you're the vet and the rider is jogging forty miles for your observation and clearly doesn't want to ride the horse, but you aren't seeing any problem.

Do you rely on your own expertise in spotting lameness and ultimately run the risk of being wrong and looking like a son of a bitch if you send the horse back for another rider and something happens? Do you remove a betting interest from the field at the most inopportune moment which is never a big hit with your boss in management even though you see no reason to scratch the horse?

It's a tough situation and often the reputation of the rider in such situation plays a role in the ultimate decision.

Considering the whole conversation began with a scenario where there was a late change, the whole premise is that yes, jocks do play vet when they are trying to protect themselves, but ultimately, they aren't the vet and that's why you end up with a lot of those "#6 Will Return To The Paddock For a Late Rider Change" graphics on the television monitors.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith

In terms of calling up to the stewards and ordering a late vet scratch or a return to the paddock for a rider change, the vet does have the ultimate power.

If you want to backtrack some and restate it as more often than not, the vet will defer to the rider, then yes, obviously he/she will. Why wouldn't he/she? It's a horrible predicament to be in if you're the vet and the rider is jogging forty miles for your observation and clearly doesn't want to ride the horse, but you aren't seeing any problem.

Do you rely on your own expertise in spotting lameness and ultimately run the risk of being wrong and looking like a son of a bitch if you send the horse back for another rider and something happens? Do you remove a betting interest from the field at the most inopportune moment which is never a big hit with your boss in management even though you see no reason to scratch the horse?

It's a tough situation and often the reputation of the rider in such situation plays a role in the ultimate decision.

Considering the whole conversation began with a scenario where there was a late change, the whole premise is that yes, jocks do play vet when they are trying to protect themselves, but ultimately, they aren't the vet and that's why you end up with a lot of those "#6 Will Return To The Paddock For a Late Rider Change" graphics on the television monitors.

I think that you see the late jock change more at B tracks than the A tracks. I can't remember the last time i saw a situation like this at Santa Anita or Del mar, but it seems to happen more frequently at Delta or some other place like that.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

I think that you see the late jock change more at B tracks than the A tracks. I can't remember the last time i saw a situation like this at Santa Anita or Del mar, but it seems to happen more frequently at Delta or some other place like that.

Absolutely true.

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by ronsmac

I take it you're not a big fan of Delta.

love every race track! i have been having my troubles lately with Charlietown and Delta, but those tracks give you the biggest bang for your buck so i look at them every day they run hoping to turn it around soon in those places.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

love every race track! i have been having my troubles lately with Charlietown and Delta, but those tracks give you the biggest bang for your buck so i look at them every day they run hoping to turn it around soon in those places.

The key to Chucktown is to find value on closers, even though that place is a bullring, its REALLY hard to wire the field there, jocks really ride at this place, hardly a race goes by where someone gets a lone lead and nobody pressures him. Guys' race horses' there, sometimes you can bet against a short priced speed at 7F from post 1 knowing he will get the lead and get hounded all the way.

CT is also a great 'warmup' track, the camera guy does a great job following horses warming up, that's an edge you have if you know what to look for.

[proximity]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

love every race track! i have been having my troubles lately with Charlietown ......

me too. usually i'm real strong there, but lately i've been getting clear leads or perfect trips in striking position but keep getting beat late by jd acosta. had like an 11-1 tonight just get nailed late. wish they would've got that big snowstorm!!

[Lasix67]

Hey, hey Robert.....

[Stillriledup]

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Another electrical problem. Embarrassing.

[jballscalls]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

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Another electrical problem. Embarrassing.

Don Stevens said the whole town is dark. but the slots are on he said because the backup charger LOL

[duncan04]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

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Another electrical problem. Embarrassing.

Delta Downs has nothing to do with it. There is a power outage affecting over 1,600 customers.

[duncan04]

Originally Posted by jballscalls

Don Stevens said the whole town is dark. but the slots are on he said because the backup charger LOL

Everyone knows the casino never goes dark. Lol

[Ruffian1]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

Possible, they haven't quite figured out electricity in Louisiana yet.

Some of the riders down there had electricity figured out years ago.

[Ruffian1]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

The key to Chucktown is to find value on closers, even though that place is a bullring, its REALLY hard to wire the field there, jocks really ride at this place, hardly a race goes by where someone gets a lone lead and nobody pressures him. Guys' race horses' there, sometimes you can bet against a short priced speed at 7F from post 1 knowing he will get the lead and get hounded all the way.

CT is also a great 'warmup' track, the camera guy does a great job following horses warming up, that's an edge you have if you know what to look for.

Spot on C.T. analysis.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Ruffian1

Spot on C.T. analysis.

Thanks. Feels good to be spot on about SOMETHING.