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Old Yesterday, 11:49 AM   #15091
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I.e., let other people do your thinking for you.

How does the church guarantee it? My car came with a guarantee. If it fails the dealer fixes it. If I die and it turns out the one true religion is Hinduism how does the church fix it? It can't. Any guarantee by the church that its teachings are "valid" is worthless.



Church existed before the New Testament..

It is the Church, who though the Ecumenical Councils specified the canon Of the New Testament, identifying the twenty-seven divinely inspired books while rejecting the Apocrypha. This is exactly what we mean when we say that the Church guarantees the validity and authority of the Bible.

These Fathers of the Church , who decided what to include and what to reject to the canon of the Bible, interpreted them and were accepted by the fullness of the Church as inspired by the Holly Spirit.

The Bible has only one and extremely consistent interpretation, and this is the one that was provided to us by the Holly Tradition, the Seven Ecumenical Councils and the Fathers of the Church like John Chrysostom, Gregory of Nyssa, Basil The Great ,Maximus the Confessor and John of Damascus, just to name a few.
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Church existed before the New Testament..

It is the Church, who though the Ecumenical Councils specified the canon Of the New Testament, identifying the twenty-seven divinely inspired books while rejecting the Apocrypha. This is exactly what we mean when we say that the Church guarantees the validity and authority of the Bible.

These Fathers of the Church , who decided what to include and what to reject to the canon of the Bible, interpreted them and were accepted by the fullness of the Church as inspired by the Holly Spirit.

The Bible has only one and extremely consistent interpretation, and this is the one that was provided to us by the Holly Tradition, the Seven Ecumenical Councils and the Fathers of the Church like John Chrysostom, Gregory of Nyssa, Basil The Great ,Maximus the Confessor and John of Damascus, just to name a few.
It still all comes down to letting other people do your thinking for you.
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The engagement was announced last Christmas. Then several months ago they broke up. I thought it was off. Only last week was I informed that it was back on.
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Church existed before the New Testament..

It is the Church, who though the Ecumenical Councils specified the canon Of the New Testament, identifying the twenty-seven divinely inspired books while rejecting the Apocrypha. This is exactly what we mean when we say that the Church guarantees the validity and authority of the Bible.

These Fathers of the Church , who decided what to include and what to reject to the canon of the Bible, interpreted them and were accepted by the fullness of the Church as inspired by the Holly Spirit.

The Bible has only one and extremely consistent interpretation, and this is the one that was provided to us by the Holly Tradition, the Seven Ecumenical Councils and the Fathers of the Church like John Chrysostom, Gregory of Nyssa, Basil The Great ,Maximus the Confessor and John of Damascus, just to name a few.


But the "church" was neither divinely inspired or infallible anymore than all the people of Israel were under the Old Covenant or any self-proclaimed authority, e.g. Scribes and Pharisees, etc. Only God's chosen prophets and apostles were inspired and infallible -- not any self-proclaimed authority.
Scripture is quite clear: Only God's word is truth not the words of wannabe leaders, teachers or prophets. Only God's Word is exalted even above his Name.

Ps 138:2
2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
KJV

And when Paul preached the gospel to the Bereans, did they blindly take his word for it or did they carefully search the scripture for confirmation? And since they did ultimately rely upon the authority of scripture even when an Apostle preached to them, how much more should men today rely solely upon God's word when men not divinely inspired or infallible preach and teach?

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It still all comes down to letting other people do your thinking for you.


But you and other skeptics would level the same charge against the Sola Scriptura crowd.

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