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05-26-2019, 01:17 AM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,533
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fastfasterfastest
Wow such an intellectual response. I've already taught my 7 year old about the brain capacity of a person that uses "whatever" as a rebuttal.
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In my world, you get the response you deserve. No more, no less.
And please be more precise in the future. My response was not "whatever."
It was "Whatever you say."
Frighteningly different.
Last edited by PaceAdvantage; 05-26-2019 at 01:20 AM.
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05-26-2019, 01:18 AM
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#92
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,533
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fastfasterfastest
If that's the case so be it. I'm fairly new here and if having an opinion that differs from the big cheese leads to a timeout/ban, i'll gladly move on. If one person has the right to state an opinion, so should everyone else.
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I love it when they post this type of thing. It's like a broken record. Soon will be the "i've gotten tons of PMs and emails telling me...."
When you've been around the block 20 times, you start to notice some patterns.
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05-26-2019, 07:37 AM
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#93
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Beat up 💪
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Beach life in Fort Lauderdale
Posts: 11,938
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Its 4am to 8pm, 7 days a week directly caring for horses, and 24/7 watching them. Backside workers are largely indentured servants who get to live in peace and raise families.
Exceptions aside and there's many, that is a reality. Worldwide Indentured Servitude is more common than wages, but generally most agriculture work in the USA is a hybrid of indentured servitude.
My Grandfather did it. In 1909, in certain Irish counties Catholics did not have the right to own land. In order to live and grow their own vegetables my Grandfather worked for the Protestant family that owned the land. He was 11 years old and did it until he was 19. For $0.00 an hour.
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05-26-2019, 08:25 AM
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#94
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 3,625
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Doo Doo Brown has been 1 for 7 since this post at Belmont
Code:
1 05-23-2019 4th race 1 Financial System (KY) Alw 1 1/16M C C Brown 1/1# Turf Good
2 05-23-2019 4th race 1A Unleveraged (KY) Alw 1 1/16M C C Brown 1/1# Turf Good W 2.9 2.1 2.1
3 05-23-2019 7th race 8 Morelikelythannot (KY) Mdn Spcl1 3/8 M C C Brown 4/1# Turf Good
4 05-24-2019 7th race 9 Chiclets Dream (NY) Alw 7 Furl C C Brown 5/2# Turf Firm S 2.2
5 05-24-2019 8th race 6 Too Cool to Dance (KY) Alw 1 1/8 M C C Brown 5/2# Turf Firm
6 05-25-2019 6th race 7 Positive Skew (KY) Alw 6 Furl C C Brown 7/2# Turf Firm
7 05-25-2019 9th race 2 Fog of War (KY) Stakes 7 Furl C C Brown 8/5# Turf Firm
Strts 1st 2nds 3rds Win % Win $ Cost Return % Return
C C Brown 7 1 0 1 14.2% $2.9 $14 $-11.1 -80%
WPS % WPS $ Cost Return % Return Shw $
28.5% $9.3 $42 $-32.7 -78% 4.3
He tries the Dirt today at Belmont
Code:
1 05-26-2019 3rd race 2 Rumor Driven (NY) Allowance One Mile C C Brown 1/1# Dirt
2 05-26-2019 6th race 6 Minsky Moment (NY) Allowance Opt Clm One And One Sixteenth Miles C C Brown 8/5# Dirt
3 05-26-2019 9th race 7 Cyber Currency (NY) Maiden Special Weight Six And One Half Furlongs C C Brown 3/1# Dirt
Too bad they can't all just walk out and let him do it all by himself
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05-26-2019, 08:49 AM
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#95
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Beat up 💪
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Beach life in Fort Lauderdale
Posts: 11,938
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Only view I have of Chad Brown is that he is ultra-professional and runs a first class operation. That's from my limited experiences of seeing him up close at a couple of race tracks. Anything could be going on, but his manner is solid.
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05-26-2019, 09:27 AM
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The Voice of Reason!
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Canandaigua, New york
Posts: 112,810
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You could have said that same thing about Carlo Gambino. 
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Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
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05-26-2019, 10:11 PM
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#97
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 3,625
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOracle
Doo Doo Brown has been 1 for 7 since this post at Belmont
Code:
1 05-23-2019 4th race 1 Financial System (KY) Alw 1 1/16M C C Brown 1/1# Turf Good
2 05-23-2019 4th race 1A Unleveraged (KY) Alw 1 1/16M C C Brown 1/1# Turf Good W 2.9 2.1 2.1
3 05-23-2019 7th race 8 Morelikelythannot (KY) Mdn Spcl1 3/8 M C C Brown 4/1# Turf Good
4 05-24-2019 7th race 9 Chiclets Dream (NY) Alw 7 Furl C C Brown 5/2# Turf Firm S 2.2
5 05-24-2019 8th race 6 Too Cool to Dance (KY) Alw 1 1/8 M C C Brown 5/2# Turf Firm
6 05-25-2019 6th race 7 Positive Skew (KY) Alw 6 Furl C C Brown 7/2# Turf Firm
7 05-25-2019 9th race 2 Fog of War (KY) Stakes 7 Furl C C Brown 8/5# Turf Firm
Strts 1st 2nds 3rds Win % Win $ Cost Return % Return
C C Brown 7 1 0 1 14.2% $2.9 $14 $-11.1 -80%
WPS % WPS $ Cost Return % Return Shw $
28.5% $9.3 $42 $-32.7 -78% 4.3
He tries the Dirt today at Belmont
Code:
1 05-26-2019 3rd race 2 Rumor Driven (NY) Allowance One Mile C C Brown 1/1# Dirt
2 05-26-2019 6th race 6 Minsky Moment (NY) Allowance Opt Clm One And One Sixteenth Miles C C Brown 8/5# Dirt
3 05-26-2019 9th race 7 Cyber Currency (NY) Maiden Special Weight Six And One Half Furlongs C C Brown 3/1# Dirt
Too bad they can't all just walk out and let him do it all by himself |
Doo Doo Brown went 0 for 3 today
Code:
1 2019-05-26 3rd race 2 Rumor Driven (NY) Allowance One Mile C C Brown 1/1# Dirt Fast 0.0 0.0 2.1
2 2019-05-26 6th race 6 Minsky Moment (NY) Allowance Optional Claiming One And One Sixteenth Miles C C Brown 8/5# Dirt Fast 0.0 0.0 0.0
3 2019-05-26 9th race 7 Cyber Currency (NY) Maiden Special Weight Six And One Half Furlongs C C Brown 3/1# Dirt Fast 0.0 0.0 0.0
Since the fine he's been 1 for his last 10 only 3 have hit the board since then
Code:
1 05-23-2019 4th race 1 Financial System (KY) Alw 1 1/16M C C Brown 1/1# Turf Good
2 05-23-2019 4th race 1A Unleveraged (KY) Alw 1 1/16M C C Brown 1/1# Turf Good W 2.9 2.1 2.1
3 05-23-2019 7th race 8 Morelikelythannot (KY) Mdn Spcl1 3/8 M C C Brown 4/1# Turf Good
4 05-24-2019 7th race 9 Chiclets Dream (NY) Alw 7 Furl C C Brown 5/2# Turf Firm S 2.2
5 05-24-2019 8th race 6 Too Cool to Dance (KY) Alw 1 1/8 M C C Brown 5/2# Turf Firm
6 05-25-2019 6th race 7 Positive Skew (KY) Alw 6 Furl C C Brown 7/2# Turf Firm
7 05-25-2019 9th race 2 Fog of War (KY) Stakes 7 Furl C C Brown 8/5# Turf Firm
8 05-26-2019 3rd race 2 Rumor Driven (NY) Alw 1 M C C Brown 1/1# Dirt Fast S 2.1
9 05-26-2019 6th race 6 Minsky Moment (NY) AOC 1 1/16M C C Brown 8/5# Dirt Fast
10 05-26-2019 9th race 7 Cyber Currency (NY) Mdn Spcl6.5 FurlC C Brown 3/1# Dirt Fast
Strts 1st 2nds 3rds Win % Win $ Cost Return % Return
C C Brown 10 1 0 2 10% $2.9 $20 $-17.1 -86%
WPS % WPS $ Cost Return % Return Shw $
30% $11.4 $60 $-48.6 -81% 6.4
To paraphrase a very famous line Karma is a dish best served cold...
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05-27-2019, 08:50 AM
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#98
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 3,625
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Doo Doo Brown has these today at Belmont
Code:
1 05-27-2019 2nd race 1 More Mischief (NY) Allowance 6.5 Furlongs C C Brown 3/1# Dirt
2 05-27-2019 5th race 1 Fifty Five (NY) Stakes One Mile C C Brown 1/1# Turf
3 05-27-2019 5th race 7 Lovely La La (NY) Stakes One Mile C C Brown 12/1# Turf
4 05-27-2019 7th race 4 Kathryn the Wise (NY) Stakes One Mile C C Brown 8/5# Dirt
5 05-27-2019 8th race 3 Offering Plan (NY) Stakes One Mile C C Brown 6/5# Turf
Let's hope the carnage continues!!!
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05-27-2019, 10:30 AM
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#99
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dark Side of the Moon
Posts: 5,870
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOracle
Doo Doo Brown has these today at Belmont
Code:
1 05-27-2019 2nd race 1 More Mischief (NY) Allowance 6.5 Furlongs C C Brown 3/1# Dirt
2 05-27-2019 5th race 1 Fifty Five (NY) Stakes One Mile C C Brown 1/1# Turf
3 05-27-2019 5th race 7 Lovely La La (NY) Stakes One Mile C C Brown 12/1# Turf
4 05-27-2019 7th race 4 Kathryn the Wise (NY) Stakes One Mile C C Brown 8/5# Dirt
5 05-27-2019 8th race 3 Offering Plan (NY) Stakes One Mile C C Brown 6/5# Turf
Let's hope the carnage continues!!! |
Did Baffert have payroll issues as well, he has been colder than a witches tit lately.
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05-27-2019, 11:01 AM
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#100
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 2,021
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It is ridiculous to think trainers are using timeclocks or punchcards... 95 percent of barn help is paid by the day, by the head for grooms, weekly,etc. No one is punching clocks or keeping records to 40 hour OT rules.
Illegally? yes... and I am sure people are scrambling to falisfy records...
Chad Brown is the first of many....whos next?
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05-27-2019, 11:22 AM
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#101
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dark Side of the Moon
Posts: 5,870
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tbwinner
It is ridiculous to think trainers are using timeclocks or punchcards... 95 percent of barn help is paid by the day, by the head for grooms, weekly,etc. No one is punching clocks or keeping records to 40 hour OT rules.
Illegally? yes... and I am sure people are scrambling to falisfy records...
Chad Brown is the first of many....whos next?
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The thing is this goes way way back, in theory people could be owed back pay for decades if they are going to enforce this.
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05-27-2019, 12:24 PM
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Beat up 💪
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Beach life in Fort Lauderdale
Posts: 11,938
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All on the Backside.
Housing,laundry, bar, schools,churches, medical care, picnics, bingo nights, group outings.
Plantation Living.
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05-27-2019, 10:18 PM
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#103
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 3,641
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Suff
My Grandfather did it.
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Ex neighbor who is in late 80s, his papa did it.
That is, until the Company Store took away his oxen team.  
He was telling me stories about being a share-croppers son, back in the day.
The year crops didn't come in due to drought. The Company Store upped and took away his dad's oxen team because he couldn't pay for the seed.
He said it was the only time in his entire life he saw his dad break down sobbing........because w/out his oxen, there would be no way to plow and feed his family.
Back in that day, the Company Store owned the shack you lived in, and they owned the store where you shopped. That included buying all your seeds.
The sharecroppers son who told me this story was in his late 80s when he told it to me, and it was still one of his strongest and saddest memories of life...a tear came into his eye telling it. They did, by the way, pretty much starve for the next few years. Him, and his brothers and sisters.
I hope whoever took away his pappy's oxen is in a very HOT PLACE right now. 
Thing is, there will always be more vultures to take their place.
Last edited by clicknow; 05-27-2019 at 10:19 PM.
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05-27-2019, 10:49 PM
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#104
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 3,625
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOracle
Doo Doo Brown has these today at Belmont
Code:
1 05-27-2019 2nd race 1 More Mischief (NY) Allowance 6.5 Furlongs C C Brown 3/1# Dirt
2 05-27-2019 5th race 1 Fifty Five (NY) Stakes One Mile C C Brown 1/1# Turf
3 05-27-2019 5th race 7 Lovely La La (NY) Stakes One Mile C C Brown 12/1# Turf
4 05-27-2019 7th race 4 Kathryn the Wise (NY) Stakes One Mile C C Brown 8/5# Dirt
5 05-27-2019 8th race 3 Offering Plan (NY) Stakes One Mile C C Brown 6/5# Turf
Let's hope the carnage continues!!! |
Doo Doo Brown had 2 winners today
Code:
1 05-27-2019 2nd race 1 More Mischief (NY) Alw 6.5 FurlC C Brown 3/1# Dirt Fast P 3.8 2.3
2 05-27-2019 5th race 1 Fifty Five (NY) Stakes 1 M C C Brown 1/1# Turf Good W 3.1 2.6 2.1
3 05-27-2019 5th race 7 Lovely La La (NY) Stakes 1 M C C Brown 12/1# Turf Good
4 05-27-2019 7th race 4 Kathryn the Wise (NY) Stakes 1 M C C Brown 8/5# Dirt Fast W 6.3 3.7 2.5
5 05-27-2019 8th race 3 Offering Plan (NY) Stakes 1 M C C Brown 6/5# Turf Good S 2.1
Strts 1st 2nds 3rds Win % Win $ Cost Return % Return
C C Brown 5 2 1 1 40% $9.4 $10 $-0.6 -6%
WPS % WPS $ Cost Return % Return Shw $
80% $28.5 $30 $-1.5 -5% 9
He had a $12.50 number across the board in the 7th race that was an 8/5 Morning Line Favorite
Too bad the stable hands won't see any of that purse money
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05-27-2019, 10:58 PM
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#105
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 3,625
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Doo Doo Brown now 3 for 15 since this post
Code:
1 05-23-2019 4th race 1 Financial System (KY) Alw 1 1/16M C C Brown 1/1# Turf Good
2 05-23-2019 4th race 1A Unleveraged (KY) Alw 1 1/16M C C Brown 1/1# Turf Good W 2.9 2.1 2.1
3 05-23-2019 7th race 8 Morelikelythannot (KY) Mdn Spcl1 3/8 M C C Brown 4/1# Turf Good
4 05-24-2019 7th race 9 Chiclets Dream (NY) Alw 7 Furl C C Brown 5/2# Turf Firm S 2.2
5 05-24-2019 8th race 6 Too Cool to Dance (KY) Alw 1 1/8 M C C Brown 5/2# Turf Firm
6 05-25-2019 6th race 7 Positive Skew (KY) Alw 6 Furl C C Brown 7/2# Turf Firm
7 05-25-2019 9th race 2 Fog of War (KY) Stakes 7 Furl C C Brown 8/5# Turf Firm
8 05-26-2019 3rd race 2 Rumor Driven (NY) Alw 1 M C C Brown 1/1# Dirt Fast S 2.1
9 05-26-2019 6th race 6 Minsky Moment (NY) AOC 1 1/16M C C Brown 8/5# Dirt Fast
10 05-26-2019 9th race 7 Cyber Currency (NY) Mdn Spcl6.5 FurlC C Brown 3/1# Dirt Fast
11 05-27-2019 2nd race 1 More Mischief (NY) Alw 6.5 FurlC C Brown 3/1# Dirt Fast P 3.8 2.3
12 05-27-2019 5th race 1 Fifty Five (NY) Stakes 1 M C C Brown 1/1# Turf Good W 3.1 2.6 2.1
13 05-27-2019 5th race 7 Lovely La La (NY) Stakes 1 M C C Brown 12/1# Turf Good
14 05-27-2019 7th race 4 Kathryn the Wise (NY) Stakes 1 M C C Brown 8/5# Dirt Fast W 6.3 3.7 2.5
15 05-27-2019 8th race 3 Offering Plan (NY) Stakes 1 M C C Brown 6/5# Turf Good S 2.1
Strts 1st 2nds 3rds Win % Win $ Cost Return % Return
C C Brown 15 3 1 3 20% $12.3 $30 $-17.7 -59%
WPS % WPS $ Cost Return % Return Shw $
46.6% $39.9 $90 $-50.1 -56% 15.4
Would be great to see all of the stable hands across the country under him go on strike
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