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09-17-2012, 02:00 PM
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Parx leading trainer and lidocaine
Can anyone answer this? I am an avid follower of Parx and frequently play Phil Aristones horses, as he does well. Anyway, i was looking at the entries and noticed he didn't have any horses entered in the coming days. But did notice a horse i played last year, and followed this year was entered under a different trainers name. D.Reeder. So when i further investigated saw that all of Phils horse were transferred to this guys name. But why...
Well, i looked on www.thoroughbredrulings.com and saw that on May 21,2012 Awesome Kisses, who won and was dq., tested positive for Lidocaine..... Is it me or isn't that a pretty serious offense?
It seems to me Parx just brushes things under the rug and keeps things hush hush. I mean you go through all that trouble to kick carlos guerrero out only to have his brother start where he left off once they knew the ban was in place...i would love to know what he is using because it obviously isnt carlos's great eye or placement of horses anymore...
Is it me or is this track one of the shadiest tracks out there? Just curious-thats all...
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09-17-2012, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Lancelot10
Can anyone answer this? I am an avid follower of Parx and frequently play Phil Aristones horses, as he does well. Anyway, i was looking at the entries and noticed he didn't have any horses entered in the coming days. But did notice a horse i played last year, and followed this year was entered under a different trainers name. D.Reeder. So when i further investigated saw that all of Phils horse were transferred to this guys name. But why...
Well, i looked on www.thoroughbredrulings.com and saw that on May 21,2012 Awesome Kisses, who won and was dq., tested positive for Lidocaine..... Is it me or isn't that a pretty serious offense?
It seems to me Parx just brushes things under the rug and keeps things hush hush. I mean you go through all that trouble to kick carlos guerrero out only to have his brother start where he left off once they knew the ban was in place...i would love to know what he is using because it obviously isnt carlos's great eye or placement of horses anymore...
Is it me or is this track one of the shadiest tracks out there? Just curious-thats all... |
its no different than any other track other than the test's might differ from other jurisdiction's. but believe this, trainers all over have gimmicks and tricks to get their horses to go these days. these tricks might stay under the radar and might not be illegal, but they are no good for the horse in the long run and no good for the game either.
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09-17-2012, 05:43 PM
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clean money
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Parx
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Originally Posted by Lancelot10
Just curious-thats all...
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you have 9 posts, and they are all negative posts about Parx.
do you have an agenda??
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Last edited by Robert Fischer; 09-17-2012 at 05:44 PM.
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09-17-2012, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
you have 9 posts, and they are all negative posts about Parx.
do you have an agenda??
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What about his posts do you find disingenuous?
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09-17-2012, 06:14 PM
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clean money
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Originally Posted by cj
What about his posts do you find disingenuous?
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They are all bashing Parx racing ??
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09-17-2012, 08:00 PM
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Yeah I guess I do have a grievance with them... They have taken a lot of money from me in betting monies and they have NOT MAKING PUBLIC THESE infractions costing me money. So yes, that hits me the wrong way!! Do you think I am going to continue to play a trainer who was hot and then gets a hot test. LET EVERYONE KNOW!!! I will not continue to play and its witholding important information from us- the betting Public. I shouldn't have to go play private eye finding out why someone like aristone put his horses with someone else..
I have been following Parx since it was Keystone and before that Liberty Bell, but it seems like it is becoming more and more corrupt with the advent of the slots.
That is my beef...
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09-17-2012, 08:12 PM
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Refugee from Bowie
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PA racing sweeps everything under the rug. Same thing happens at Pen.It might happen at Presque Isle as well....after all they let Burton Sipp on the grounds.....but I doubt the 300 people who bet their races really care much.
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09-17-2012, 08:49 PM
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Refugee from Bowie
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Originally Posted by Lancelot10
Can anyone answer this? I am an avid follower of Parx and frequently play Phil Aristones horses, as he does well. Anyway, i was looking at the entries and noticed he didn't have any horses entered in the coming days. But did notice a horse i played last year, and followed this year was entered under a different trainers name. D.Reeder. So when i further investigated saw that all of Phils horse were transferred to this guys name. But why...
Well, i looked on www.thoroughbredrulings.com and saw that on May 21,2012 Awesome Kisses, who won and was dq., tested positive for Lidocaine..... Is it me or isn't that a pretty serious offense?
It seems to me Parx just brushes things under the rug and keeps things hush hush. I mean you go through all that trouble to kick carlos guerrero out only to have his brother start where he left off once they knew the ban was in place...i would love to know what he is using because it obviously isnt carlos's great eye or placement of horses anymore...
Is it me or is this track one of the shadiest tracks out there? Just curious-thats all... |
He's entered 5 horses on Saturday, PA Derby Day. He's had entries running all month.
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09-17-2012, 10:43 PM
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PA Steward
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Originally Posted by Shemp Howard
He's entered 5 horses on Saturday, PA Derby Day. He's had entries running all month.
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Yeah, seriously, I just saw this myself.
I believe this thread needs to be removed because it is based on entirely false information (well, the part about this trainer being suspended or having all his horses in someone else's care, which obviously isn't true...the part about his horse testing positive in July IS true...but it's obvious he hasn't been suspended...yet)
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09-17-2012, 10:45 PM
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PA Steward
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Originally Posted by Lancelot10
So when i further investigated saw that all of Phils horse were transferred to this guys name. But why...
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What exactly was your investigation process like? Because seeing that he has horses entered on Saturday, either your investigation was wrong, or this guy had one super-short suspension (that apparently went unreported ANYWHERE, which would NOT be normal, even for Parx).
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09-17-2012, 11:17 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
What exactly was your investigation process like? Because seeing that he has horses entered on Saturday, either your investigation was wrong, or this guy had one super-short suspension (that apparently went unreported ANYWHERE, which would NOT be normal, even for Parx).
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This shouldn't be that tough. When did a horse last run in his name?
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09-17-2012, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
This shouldn't be that tough. When did a horse last run in his name?
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I don't know.
Why isn't his suspension and/or fine listed in the Jockey Club database? Why is there no news of it on Bloodhorse?
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09-18-2012, 12:12 AM
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clean money
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Originally Posted by cj
This shouldn't be that tough. When did a horse last run in his name?
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Aristone last had runners on 9/11 , last tuesday.
Donald Reeder has had just one horse run in the last 4 months - a 45/1 shot LITTLE MISS , a horse that Reeder CLAIMED from Aristone on July 31st. 
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09-18-2012, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
I don't know.
Why isn't his suspension and/or fine listed in the Jockey Club database? Why is there no news of it on Bloodhorse?
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Nothing would surprise me when it comes to record keeping in this sport. And when it comes to suspensions, even moreso. So, his last horse ran was on the 11th, and no entries until Saturday, the 22nd? That is certainly a possible suspension.
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09-18-2012, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
They are all bashing Parx racing ??
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Well, yeah, I got that point already. But unless there is something not factual (and maybe there is), being one topic minded isn't a crime. Ask Indolto and usedtolovetvg.
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