Tonight's Eclipse Awards Jan 2018

[MonmouthParkJoe]

Originally Posted by Fager Fan

Someone should be kind and suggest to the Ortiz brothers that they really (REALLY) need new haircuts.

My kid asked if Irad was Jim Carrey's character from Dumb and Dumber with that haircut.

I watched the entire thing. Most people I talked to thought it was pretty brutal but I enjoyed it. I do appreciate it being on TVG though and watching last night.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

Chad Brown...!

Said Um or I 58 times. Amazing that an individual in his position has zero command of the English language. This isn't a knock on his training ability at all.

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by onefast99

Said Um or I 58 times. Amazing that an individual in his position has zero command of the English language. This isn't a knock on his training ability at all.

That's nervousness.

[Grits]

Originally Posted by onefast99

Said Um or I 58 times. Amazing that an individual in his position has zero command of the English language. This isn't a knock on his training ability at all.

Fast, Chad graduated from Cornell, and in sitting with him when I'm with his mom and dad at the races (at Saratoga) in these years since (and before) going out on his own, he has a fine command of English.

I will add this observation. He's a thinker, he's much quieter than a lot of people you would meet. Too, look at his mentor, he wasn't a big talker either. .... I think Fager has this one correct. "That's nervousness".

He's well educated and he's a hard working young man. He works from before sun up to long after sunset. Yes, he has assistants, but if one thinks those assistants are making the decisions regarding the horses care, their works, their shipping, their races, etc. one would be terribly mistaken.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Grits

Fast, Chad graduated from Cornell, and in sitting with him when I'm with his mom and dad at the races (at Saratoga) in these years since (and before) going out on his own, he has a fine command of English.

I will add this observation. He's a thinker, he's much quieter than a lot of people you would meet. Too, look at his mentor, he wasn't a big talker either. .... I think Fager has this one correct. "That's nervousness".

He's well educated and he's a hard working young man. He works from before sun up to long after sunset. Yes, he has assistants, but if one thinks those assistants are making the decisions regarding the horses care, their works, their shipping, their races, etc. one would be terribly mistaken.

I can't resist, always think of Andy Bernard when I hear Cornell.

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by Grits

Fast, Chad graduated from Cornell, and in sitting with him when I'm with his mom and dad at the races (at Saratoga) in these years since (and before) going out on his own, he has a fine command of English.

I will add this observation. He's a thinker, he's much quieter than a lot of people you would meet. Too, look at his mentor, he wasn't a big talker either. .... I think Fager has this one correct. "That's nervousness".

He's well educated and he's a hard working young man. He works from before sun up to long after sunset. Yes, he has assistants, but if one thinks those assistants are making the decisions regarding the horses care, their works, their shipping, their races, etc. one would be terribly mistaken.

No one disputes that he or any trainer works hard. They all do. It's really a rather dreadful family life when you work 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year, rare vacations or days off, going to bed at 8pm so you can be up at 3 or 4am.

But just as you note how long it takes to make the training charts for that many horses, then add all the time spent talking to owners, and doing things that manages that many horses and people, that leaves precious little time to be a hands-on trainer. He can't be. There simply isn't time when you have that many horses. He's a manager, with his assistants doing the usual training work.

There was a time when they restricted the number of horses someone claims as training, by saying the trainer has to be with those horses every third day or such. We need that kind of rule brought back (or even better, that the horse must be housed where the trainer is unless the horse is on layup or has shipped for a race).

Trainers in Chad's position have too much control over the entry boxes and riders and more.

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by cj

I can't resist, always think of Andy Bernard when I hear Cornell.

Funny. I loved that show until Carell left.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by Grits

Fast, Chad graduated from Cornell, and in sitting with him when I'm with his mom and dad at the races (at Saratoga) in these years since (and before) going out on his own, he has a fine command of English.

I will add this observation. He's a thinker, he's much quieter than a lot of people you would meet. Too, look at his mentor, he wasn't a big talker either. .... I think Fager has this one correct. "That's nervousness".

He's well educated and he's a hard working young man. He works from before sun up to long after sunset. Yes, he has assistants, but if one thinks those assistants are making the decisions regarding the horses care, their works, their shipping, their races, etc. one would be terribly mistaken.

Ok so if you graduated from Cornell that should preclude you from working on an acceptance speech at an event that honors those who are the best in the business? My first trainer didn't graduate high school , but he won the Belmont Stakes recently and he was honored and spoke well when he had a few days to prepare for a speaking engagement. If you don't think this means something to those in the business as well as those who look up to someone like Chad and his accomplishments that they prepare for their acceptance you are sadly mistaken. And the "nervousness" factor is a poor excuse for not "preparing" yourself. As I originally stated in my reply this has nothing to do with his training abilities but come prepared when you are honored and requested to speak!

[Tom]

Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

Frank Stronach

You mean GREED?

How can a guy who is too stupid to time races or know how far they are run be honored by the industry, unless the industry is run by like idiots?

The whole Eclipse thing has lost all credibility.
Reward incompetence and greed and disrespect for customers and totally ignore the fan of he game.


....and the horse you rode in on, too!

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by Tom

You mean GREED?

How can a guy who is too stupid to time races or know how far they are run be honored by the industry, unless the industry is run by like idiots?

The whole Eclipse thing has lost all credibility.
Reward incompetence and greed and disrespect for customers and totally ignore the fan of he game.


....and the horse you rode in on, too!

Give it a rest, Tom.

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by onefast99

Ok so if you graduated from Cornell that should preclude you from working on an acceptance speech at an event that honors those who are the best in the business? My first trainer didn't graduate high school , but he won the Belmont Stakes recently and he was honored and spoke well when he had a few days to prepare for a speaking engagement. If you don't think this means something to those in the business as well as those who look up to someone like Chad and his accomplishments that they prepare for their acceptance you are sadly mistaken. And the "nervousness" factor is a poor excuse for not "preparing" yourself. As I originally stated in my reply this has nothing to do with his training abilities but come prepared when you are honored and requested to speak!

I disagree with you. You can prepare a speech, and that has zero to do with being nervous when actually giving it. Chad may be smart, but he's not a natural speaker, isn't quick on his feet, not witty. Not everyone is a good public speaker or feels comfortable doing so. It's sort of nitty to pick on this.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Fager Fan

I disagree with you. You can prepare a speech, and that has zero to do with being nervous when actually giving it. Chad may be smart, but he's not a natural speaker, isn't quick on his feet, not witty. Not everyone is a good public speaker or feels comfortable doing so. It's sort of nitty to pick on this.

Agree.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by Fager Fan

I disagree with you. You can prepare a speech, and that has zero to do with being nervous when actually giving it. Chad may be smart, but he's not a natural speaker, isn't quick on his feet, not witty. Not everyone is a good public speaker or feels comfortable doing so. It's sort of nitty to pick on this.

That is why we have the forum, sometimes to disagree, but the fact that he didn't prepare for this honor means he may have had a lot of other things going on like training his horses and running his business and this wasn't something he felt he needed to prepare for. It is my opinion and I am entitled to it! Enjoy...