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12-10-2017, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker
A jury of our supposed peers witnessed this very video. And let that man go.
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Sorry , but the video was withheld from the jury . The judge felt it would be too (predudicial ? ) to the case
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12-11-2017, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
That was terrible.
This cop seemed to be looking for a reason to blow this kid away. I have no training, but everything about the way this was handled seemed wrong.
The thing that probably got the cop off was the kid reaching behind his back the first time. It provoked a serious reaction from the cop. A cop will not know why you are reaching behind you. Many people keep guns in their pants behind them. So he could have easily been reaching for a gun. That's why he was screaming at the kid to not reach behind again or he'd shoot him.
The kid did not realize the significance of why he should reach behind himself and seemed to be making a move in that direction again when the cop shot him. Tragic.
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The man (kid?) making that move as he was crawling forward was the issue. Why the heck did he reach over?
I don't like a lot of what happened here, like why they were drawing this out. Once on the floor, the partner should've handcuffed them quickly. It's almost like they were just trying to draw it out until the guy did something to justify shooting.
But I'd still ask why the guy reached for the girl's bag (isn't that what he was doing?)? That was a crazy move to make and ultimately justified the shooting.
What were this girl and guy in trouble over? I haven't googled for more news on this.
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12-11-2017, 08:58 AM
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I've read through the thread and see he was shooting a pellet gun in a hotel room. And drunk.
This was very badly handled. These cops mayve been found not guilty, but both should be fired and never hired again as a cop or security guard. Their instructions were ridiculous and they should've quickly cuffed them. The video should've been allowed.
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12-11-2017, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by newtothegame
So a cop on an interstate in inclimate weather is compared to a cop arriving on a scene where there has been said to be guns and a shooter???
And this is how "nerves of steel are determined'???
I can imagine you have never had hot lead flying over your head or at you.
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Considering that cars were spinning out on the parkway at 55 miles per hour and coming down a very slippery hill and that highway state patrolman was walking along the edge of the highway and could have been hit by a 1500 pound projectile at any second I'd say he had nerves of steel. I saw them spinning out and there was no way I would have gotten out of my car. The snow was plowed into banks alongside the road. There was no where to run if a car started spinning out at him. It was Russian roulette and he got lucky.
I would think cops get some kind of training on how to handle situations like the one in the video. Surely that requires nerves of steel to handle that situation. The guy was acquitted so there must be more to the story than just the video.
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12-11-2017, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Fager Fan
The man (kid?) making that move as he was crawling forward was the issue. Why the heck did he reach over?
I don't like a lot of what happened here, like why they were drawing this out. Once on the floor, the partner should've handcuffed them quickly. It's almost like they were just trying to draw it out until the guy did something to justify shooting.
But I'd still ask why the guy reached for the girl's bag (isn't that what he was doing?)? That was a crazy move to make and ultimately justified the shooting.
What were this girl and guy in trouble over? I haven't googled for more news on this.
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He reached back to pull up his dropping pants?
The other cop did not cuff because he was in front of open door to his room and they did not know if anyone else was in room.
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12-11-2017, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by railbird
Sorry , but the video was withheld from the jury . The judge felt it would be too (predudicial ? ) to the case
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I don't think so from what I read, it was only originally withheld from the media and general public.
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12-11-2017, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by railbird
Sorry , but the video was withheld from the jury . The judge felt it would be too (predudicial ? ) to the case
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A video of what actually transpired would be too prejudicial for the jury to see?
WHAT?
WOW...that's insane...that can't be true, can it?
These cops were on trial for the shooting and killing of this man, and the video of the shooting and killing of the man was not allowed to be shown in court?
Seriously?
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12-11-2017, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by davew
He reached back to pull up his dropping pants?
The other cop did not cuff because he was in front of open door to his room and they did not know if anyone else was in room.
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Are we watching the same video? The door to his room was behind the guy and it was closed. The cops had no problem going past the dead guy to get to his room. The cops could have easily cuffed him while others went to the room.
The cop was looking to kill him, he got his wish. We should be thankful their were not little kids with him, they would not have been able to follow those directions and the cop would have gunned them down to.
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12-11-2017, 11:03 AM
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A jury acquitted the cop. A jury also acquitted O.J. Simpson.
Does that mean O.J. is innocent?
Most people believe O.J. killed his wife and her friend, but the jury felt there was reasonable doubt.
The same goes here. Just because the cop was acquitted by a jury does not make him truly innocent. Only God knows what the truth is -- what was in the shooter's mind.
The cop probably had a better attorney than the prosecuting attorney.
I assume there will be a civil case?
The cop was let go by the department. That sends a message that there was at least some wrong doing on the part of the cop.
The question I have is why didn't the cops call for more backup? If they feared another shooter was in the room wouldn't they want a SWAT team to help out?
Last edited by highnote; 12-11-2017 at 11:05 AM.
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12-11-2017, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by zico20
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Are we watching the same video? The door to his room was behind the guy and it was closed. The cops had no problem going past the dead guy to get to his room. The cops could have easily cuffed him while others went to the room.
The cop was looking to kill him, he got his wish. We should be thankful their were not little kids with him, they would not have been able to follow those directions and the cop would have gunned them down to.
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Or someone who is deaf, mentally challenged, has a physical disability, or doesn't understand English well either. Some of the fellow law enforcement's reaction to this execution is down right pathetic, some act like there is no such thing as an unjustified shooting. Many act like if you don't follow even a simple order you get shot. What happens if you are physically unable? I would have gotten killed in that situation also as due to destroyed shoulders I can't raise even a hand above by head without using the other arm to assist. I also could not crawl like that, I would fall over because by legs are weak from spinal cord damage. I look like a normal 56 year old just walking and talking. I don't appear disabled until I have to perform a physical task. I would be a dead man there also.
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12-11-2017, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by highnote
A jury acquitted the cop. A jury also acquitted O.J. Simpson.
Does that mean O.J. is innocent?
Most people believe O.J. killed his wife and her friend, but the jury felt there was reasonable doubt.
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Do you seriously believe that? The verdict was nothing but revenge against a supposed racist system. If O.J. was white, he would have been found guilty and gotten a max sentence.
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12-11-2017, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Inner Dirt
Do you seriously believe that? The verdict was nothing but revenge against a supposed racist system. If O.J. was white, he would have been found guilty and gotten a max sentence.
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Where in my post did I say what I believe?
I stated that what most people believe are the facts.
Most people believe O.J. was guilty.
The jury acquitted him.
His attorneys put reasonable doubt into the minds of the jurors.
You might be right that it was a revenge verdict to acquit O.J. But since I don't know what was in the minds of the jurors, I could only hypothesize about what was in their minds. Hypothesizing is not the same as facts.
The attorney(s) for the cop put reasonable doubt into the minds of the jurors. That doesn't mean the cop was innocent or guilty. It means the jury found him not guilty. Using your logic, maybe it was a revenge verdict by a pro-cop jury?
I have no opinion on whether the cop was innocent or guilty. I wasn't at the shooting and I wasn't in the courtroom. It could all be fake news planted by Russians for all I know.
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12-11-2017, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
A video of what actually transpired would be too prejudicial for the jury to see?
WHAT?
WOW...that's insane...that can't be true, can it?
These cops were on trial for the shooting and killing of this man, and the video of the shooting and killing of the man was not allowed to be shown in court?
Seriously?
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I believe the jury saw the shooting video, however a photo of the shooters gun was NOT shown to the jury. A custom engraving on the dust cover, read
"You're Fuc*ed"
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12-11-2017, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Inner Dirt
Do you seriously believe that? The verdict was nothing but revenge against a supposed racist system. If O.J. was white, he would have been found guilty and gotten a max sentence.
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Also, the defense attorneys and the prosecuting attorneys had a hand in picking the jurors for the O.J. trial. The defense got their client acquitted.
You might be right that it was a revenge verdict, but the fact is, O.J. was found not guilty. Just like the cop in Arizona. Not guilty.
It might be the case that O.J. is guilty and the cop is guilty. All we can say for certain is that the juries acquitted them. People are free to believe whatever they want about either of those trials, but the fact is, the jury's decision is final.
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12-11-2017, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Racetrack Playa
I believe the jury saw the shooting video, however a photo of the shooters gun was NOT shown to the jury. A custom engraving on the dust cover, read
"You're Fuc*ed"
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Very prophetic...
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