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Old 11-10-2014, 12:13 PM   #1
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ACA: ...call it the stupidity of the American voter

http://dailysignal.com/2014/11/09/ca...cans-pass-law/

Caught on Camera: Obamacare Architect Admits Deceiving Americans to Pass Law

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In a newly surfaced video, one of Obamacare’s architects admits a “lack of transparency” helped the Obama administration and congressional Democrats pass the Affordable Care Act. The conservative group American Commitment posted Jonathan Gruber’s remarks, reportedly from an Oct. 17, 2013, event, on YouTube.
Bottom line: the end justifies the means.
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POSOTUS and this guy should have thumb screws applied and be hung from the Washington Monument. Then truth sticks and transparency tomatoes offer to the public.
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The same can be said about the majority of Washington's spending programs and runaway powergrabs, they rely on the stupidity of people. Normally they're not so candid about it but it's not only healthcare where they bank on people not noticing, not caring, or outright stupidity.
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I feel most of the congressional Democrats were fooled as well - will always remember Pelosi saying we got to pass it to find out whats in it.
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The original video was on the U. of Penn web site, which hosted the conference where the comments were made. The video has been taken down and the university is denying media permission to air it.
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Caught on Camera: Obamacare Architect Admits Deceiving Americans to Pass Law



Bottom line: the end justifies the means.
Gruber is absolutely correct about the stupidity of SOME of the American voters. There were death panels; except their weren't. The ACA was socialism; except it wasn't, all of the insurance policies were sold by private companies, run by private companies and paid off by private companies. The law says you can keep your policy if you like it; except it does not say that. In fact it describes policies which can no longer be said. What some politician said years before the law was even written is no relevant. The ACA stole money from senior citizens medicare benefits in order to pay for the ACA; except it did no such thing. The money that was taken from Medicare was taken from subsidies the federal government was paying to private companies which were selling Medicare Advantage plans.

All of these myths have been proven false, yet the fools continue to post them for the other fools.
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... What some politician said years before the law was even written is no relevant. ...
Ain't that the truth. About the only one.
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Ain't that the truth. About the only one.
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I feel most of the congressional Democrats were fooled as well - will always remember Pelosi saying we got to pass it to find out whats in it.
Whenever I see someone post that quote by Pelosi, I question their understanding of how government works and how bills are passed. Nancy Pelosi is a lot smarter than you. That's not an insult; she is also a lot smarter than me. She understands how bills are passed and what happens after they are passed.

Changes are made to bills right up to the final vote, so while you might hope for a certain result; that is not guaranteed until the bill is passed. Even then there are no guarantees. Once the bill is passed and signed into law, it has to be implemented. The appropriate department has to publish rules relating to the new law. Sometimes these rules may change the meaning of parts of the law.

Someone may challenge the law in court. That has certainly been done in the case of the ACA. Courts must decide on how to interpret what Congress has written. Nancy Pelosi was wrong. We don't find out what is in the law after it passes. Sometimes we need to wait years longer to find out.
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Wow! A second acorn in the same day.

“I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels. It’s cheap, abundant and clean compared to fossil fuels.” -- Nancy Pelosi.

“Every month that we do not have an economic recovery package 500 million Americans lose their jobs.” -- Nancy Pelosi.

“Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program.” -- Nancy Pelosi

“And we have to confer with the Qataris, who have told me over and over again that Hamas is a humanitarian organization.” -- Nancy Pelosi
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Whenever I see someone post that quote by Pelosi, I question their understanding of how government works and how bills are passed. Nancy Pelosi is a lot smarter than you. That's not an insult; she is also a lot smarter than me. She understands how bills are passed and what happens after they are passed.

Changes are made to bills right up to the final vote, so while you might hope for a certain result; that is not guaranteed until the bill is passed. Even then there are no guarantees. Once the bill is passed and signed into law, it has to be implemented. The appropriate department has to publish rules relating to the new law. Sometimes these rules may change the meaning of parts of the law.

Someone may challenge the law in court. That has certainly been done in the case of the ACA. Courts must decide on how to interpret what Congress has written. Nancy Pelosi was wrong. We don't find out what is in the law after it passes. Sometimes we need to wait years longer to find out.
If Congress is going to pass the biggest piece of legislation in 30 years don't you think it would be a good idea to know something about the law before you vote on it?

Changes are made to bills by votes so theoretically you should know pretty much everything in it. The law is the rules! It's regulations that are written to make sure the rules are implemented. Only Obama's administration writes the rules after the law is passed.
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Whenever I see someone post that quote by Pelosi, I question their understanding of how government works and how bills are passed. Nancy Pelosi is a lot smarter than you. That's not an insult; she is also a lot smarter than me. She understands how bills are passed and what happens after they are passed.

Changes are made to bills right up to the final vote, so while you might hope for a certain result; that is not guaranteed until the bill is passed. Even then there are no guarantees. Once the bill is passed and signed into law, it has to be implemented. The appropriate department has to publish rules relating to the new law. Sometimes these rules may change the meaning of parts of the law.

Someone may challenge the law in court. That has certainly been done in the case of the ACA. Courts must decide on how to interpret what Congress has written. Nancy Pelosi was wrong. We don't find out what is in the law after it passes. Sometimes we need to wait years longer to find out.
Funny how in your universe putting the cart before the horse is considered perfectly normal. It's normal to pass legislation even when people are ignorant of what is really in it.

Long live Ignorance!
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Sometimes these rules may change the meaning of parts of the law.
Now there is a statement worthy of Nancy Pelosi.

So if an administrative agency wants to, it can write rules and regulations changing the meaning of the law. That might be standard operating procedure in Wonderland, but here in the USA, that is called the executive branch unconstitutionally usurping the powers of the legislative branch.
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Wow! A second acorn in the same day.

“I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to other fossil fuels. It’s cheap, abundant and clean compared to other fossil fuels.” -- Nancy Pelosi.
Natural gas is cheap, abundant and clean compared to other fossil fuels.
“Every month that we do not have an economic recovery package 500 million Americans lose their jobs.” -- Nancy Pelosi.
Everyone with half a brain knows she misspoke. And I have half a brain. At the time Pelosi made that statement we were losing 500,000 jobs a month.

“Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program.” -- Nancy Pelosi

“And we have to confer with the Qataris, who have told me over and over again that Hamas is a humanitarian organization.” -- Nancy Pelosi
I need to look at the last two to comment.
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“And we have to confer with the Qataris, who have told me over and over again that Hamas is a humanitarian organization.” -- Nancy Pelos
This means that Pelosi thinks Hamas is a humanitarian organization? She never says that. She says the Qataris have told her that. She never says she agrees with that characterization and many other statements on the subject by Pelosi tell the opposite story.

You are also wrong about your interpretation of the first part of the sentence. "We have to confer with the Qataris" does not mean we should confer with them. It means the Qataris are the only conduit we have to Hamas. Pelosi is saying since the Qataris are insisting Hamas keeps repeating that Hamas is a humanitarian organization, they may not be a neutral conduit. Change that to they are not a neutral conduit. That is what Pelosi is saying here.
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