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07-01-2018, 10:23 AM
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C'est Tout
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For me, handicapping is and always will be a solitary endeavor.
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07-03-2018, 07:42 PM
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KISS
After quite a few years I’ve manage to hold my own and even stay slightly ahead so here is some basic starting points:
1. Stay with one type of race, e.g. sprints 5 to 7f, no turf, maiden or 1st. time starters.
2. Look for those that show a steady effort within the last 2 calls of recent races at your distance.
3. Disregard class, whatever that is, and look for competitive times at the half or three quarter.
4. Look at jockey and trainer records and do not play on odds of more than 15/1.
That’s it. Good luck.
Last edited by sam4022; 07-03-2018 at 07:44 PM.
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07-04-2018, 01:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PhantomOnTour
For me, handicapping is and always will be a solitary endeavor.
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It's very hard to get two handicappers working together for any length of time before they're running solo. Usually the first joint effort that loses breaks the collaboration. Never mind a group.
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07-04-2018, 01:26 AM
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"Profitable horseplaying is a solitary activity. The more social it gets...the less profitable it becomes." -- Tom Ainslie
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07-05-2018, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Valuist
Learn physicality. Edges to speed and pace figures, along with trips, have been lessened over the years. But no algorithm can take physicality into account.
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Amen brother
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07-06-2018, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ultracapper
It's very hard to get two handicappers working together for any length of time before they're running solo. Usually the first joint effort that loses breaks the collaboration. Never mind a group.
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I agree with what you are saying here; I can add that the reason for this is the low educational level of the vast majority of horse players that does not allow them to collaborative effectively and create the necessary abstractions to facilitate communication and promote the study of the game.
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07-06-2018, 03:26 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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BS
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Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
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07-06-2018, 03:31 PM
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clean money
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Originally Posted by DeltaLover
I agree with what you are saying here; I can add that the reason for this is the low educational level of the vast majority of horse players that does not allow them to collaborative effectively and create the necessary abstractions to facilitate communication and promote the study of the game.
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If you are just handicapping together, you can get by with bullshitting and basic social skills.
If you are combining to form a syndicate of more than one person for betting the horses, then you need some understanding of the organization. You don't need an Ivy League education to pull this off, but you do need to be aware of the need for organization. Generally you "stand on the shoulders of giants" and start by using a proven method.
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07-06-2018, 03:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeltaLover
I agree with what you are saying here; I can add that the reason for this is the low educational level of the vast majority of horse players that does not allow them to collaborative effectively and create the necessary abstractions to facilitate communication and promote the study of the game.
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Education level has zip to do with a person's ability or inability to collaborate and communicate.
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07-06-2018, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
"Profitable horseplaying is a solitary activity. The more social it gets...the less profitable it becomes." -- Tom Ainslie
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Richard Carter must not have been very profitable at betting horses. When I met him in the early 90s he was quite sociable.
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07-06-2018, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ultracapper
It's very hard to get two handicappers working together for any length of time before they're running solo. Usually the first joint effort that loses breaks the collaboration. Never mind a group.
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For the most part I concur. I have found, however, that when playing P-6s a handicapping partner can be quite helpful. Personalities and handicapping styles need to be compatible. A partner whose strengths compensate for the others weaknesses is ideal. Two know-it-all handicappers rarely stay together too long.
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07-06-2018, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyC
Education level has zip to do with a person's ability or inability to collaborate and communicate.
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Yeah right
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07-06-2018, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
If you are just handicapping together, you can get by with bullshitting and basic social skills.
If you are combining to form a syndicate of more than one person for betting the horses, then you need some understanding of the organization. You don't need an Ivy League education to pull this off, but you do need to be aware of the need for organization. Generally you "stand on the shoulders of giants" and start by using a proven method.
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Do not be so sure about this.
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07-06-2018, 04:24 PM
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clean money
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Originally Posted by DeltaLover
Do not be so sure about this.
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I don't know. I've seen steel mill retirees run a bookie game, and convicts run a motorcycle club, and housewives run a Tupperware party.
They weren't highly decorated academics but they had a plan and a vision of how it worked.
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07-06-2018, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyC
Richard Carter must not have been very profitable at betting horses. When I met him in the early 90s he was quite sociable.
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Could it be that he was in "retirement" from betting by then?
Say what you will about him...he was my favorite handicapping author of all time. His wit can never be equaled, IMO:
"If your mail resembles mine, hardly a week goes by without you receiving a letter from some generous benefactor...who promises you untold riches for a scant $20 bill. Why burn the midnight oil, the letter says...when you can find winning longshots in a mere five minutes, by using the well-researched and unconditionally guaranteed handicapping method advertised therein?
Five minutes and you get a longshot. Five months...and you get an eviction notice."
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