lowest winning beyer ever ?

[bobbyt62]

in todays fifth race at tdn, chatham moon (#5) ran third by 1 1/2 lengths in his most recent (and fts) out, the winner getting 6 furlongs in 1:16. his figure is "0", not " -0" ( minus zero) which means the figure, if given would be negative. he gets a zero for 3rd by 1 1/2. i think that puts the winner at a beyer of 3 or 4. not including some of the short meets in colorado, idaho, s dakota, etc. i don't think i've ever come across a horse which won it's last race and got a 3 or 4 beyer. anyone ?

[cj]

The winner was a 4. I've seen similar, especially among Indiana bred maidens. I've also seen races where if the same variant was used for all races the Beyer would have been in the negatives, but for whatever reason the race always seems to be boosted to above zero. Maybe it is a technical thing that causes a glitch or something. The 1st race on Jan 15th at Beulah was like this. It was given a 4 also. I gave it a -7.

By the way, for the race in question, I gave it a 2! It did come after a scorching pace of 15 though!

[bobbyt62]

cj, thanks for the reply. i knew beyer figures could be derived from different variants for the big tracks, but i assumed that they didn't put much "interpretation" in to the figures for the small tracks. i'm now officially on the hunt for a printed beyer of 1 for a winner !

[nobeyerspls]

Originally Posted by bobbyt62

in todays fifth race at tdn, chatham moon (#5) ran third by 1 1/2 lengths in his most recent (and fts) out, the winner getting 6 furlongs in 1:16. his figure is "0", not " -0" ( minus zero) which means the figure, if given would be negative. he gets a zero for 3rd by 1 1/2. i think that puts the winner at a beyer of 3 or 4. not including some of the short meets in colorado, idaho, s dakota, etc. i don't think i've ever come across a horse which won it's last race and got a 3 or 4 beyer. anyone ?

I've had several winners with a last beyer of zero. They can be handicapped using angles. A filly coming off a two month rest with two consecutive zero beyers won for me at 76-1. She caught a week nw2 10k claimer field at Fairgrounds. Broke her maiden in NY at 20k. Was working well in the AM and was the lone speed.
Had a nice winner in NY coming off a bsf of 4. It was the eight horse. When my buddy who swears by the figs asked me how I found that horse, I told him that you divide the bsf into the saddle cloth number and, if you get a two, that's the winner. That angle was 2nd lifetime start.

[cj]

Originally Posted by nobeyerspls

I've had several winners with a last beyer of zero. They can be handicapped using angles. A filly coming off a two month rest with two consecutive zero beyers won for me at 76-1. She caught a week nw2 10k claimer field at Fairgrounds. Broke her maiden in NY at 20k. Was working well in the AM and was the lone speed.
Had a nice winner in NY coming off a bsf of 4. It was the eight horse. When my buddy who swears by the figs asked me how I found that horse, I told him that you divide the bsf into the saddle cloth number and, if you get a two, that's the winner. That angle was 2nd lifetime start.

Thanks for the entertaining redboards, but they completely missed the point of the thread.

He is talking about horses winning with low Beyers, not just any horse. Anyone can find tons of horses with Beyers less than zero. What is hard to find is one with a sub zero Beyer that finished first

Actually, now that I think about it there was one I'm going to have to look up.

[bobbyt62]

cj, you're right about nobeyerspls missing the point. i talking about a winning effort at an extended (time) meet with daily handle of , say, 350k and up. also, there are zeros for figures, and there are " - 0" s-----i have back engineered to a beyer which reads as 0 is not the same as one which reads -0

[menifee]

In tonight's Sam Houston race, race 3 - the #6 broke his maiden with a winning beyer of 1. That's the lowest I've ever seen.

[cj]

Originally Posted by menifee

In tonight's Sam Houston race, race 3 - the #6 broke his maiden with a winning beyer of 1. That's the lowest I've ever seen.

There have been a few that were less than zero, but not many.

[dav4463]

Reminds me of horses that used to run at Trinity Meadows!

[cj]

Originally Posted by menifee

In tonight's Sam Houston race, race 3 - the #6 broke his maiden with a winning beyer of 1. That's the lowest I've ever seen.

For the record, I gave the horse a -4!

[CincyHorseplayer]

Originally Posted by cj

The winner was a 4. I've seen similar, especially among Indiana bred maidens. I've also seen races where if the same variant was used for all races the Beyer would have been in the negatives, but for whatever reason the race always seems to be boosted to above zero. Maybe it is a technical thing that causes a glitch or something. The 1st race on Jan 15th at Beulah was like this. It was given a 4 also. I gave it a -7.

By the way, for the race in question, I gave it a 2! It did come after a scorching pace of 15 though!

CJ,I saw a Beulah horse today with a -56 1st call in a route and I had a good old laugh out loud!!I didn't know turds were measured

[Edward DeVere]

I think the winning Beyer Number for yesterday's Grade 1 Santa Anita Handicap might be in the negative territory. . . .

[CincyHorseplayer]

Originally Posted by cj

The winner was a 4. I've seen similar, especially among Indiana bred maidens. I've also seen races where if the same variant was used for all races the Beyer would have been in the negatives, but for whatever reason the race always seems to be boosted to above zero. Maybe it is a technical thing that causes a glitch or something. The 1st race on Jan 15th at Beulah was like this. It was given a 4 also. I gave it a -7.

By the way, for the race in question, I gave it a 2! It did come after a scorching pace of 15 though!

I think I saw that race in yesterday's PP's.The 1st call fig was -56.I had to go look at that race on Twinspires.It was that horse's Secretariat Belmont.Never happen again!

[pondman]

Originally Posted by cj

What is hard to find is one with a sub zero Beyer that finished first

I had several winners in 2011 with -0 beyers. They were all shippers. But what's the point trying to communicate the process with speed heads. You'd only be told there needs to be a sample size of 1,000,000,000.

Poor looking performances fit well within my methods. It's a matter of understanding the concept of a soft spot.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by pondman

But what's the point trying to communicate the process with speed heads.

What's with the crappy attitude?