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classhandicapper · 09-20-2014, 06:06 PM

I don't think this was a good enough effort to think CC has a huge shot in the Classic at 10F even if you think he was short or uncomfortable inside. He looks like a horse that peaked in the early spring after a huge move forward. We've probably seen the best (or close to the best) of him that we are ever going to see.

The thing that bummed me is that I liked Tapiture a bit going into the race because he was on the worst part of the track vs. Candy Boy last time out (mentioned earlier in the thread). A lot of people were looking at the nose finish and Candy Boy being wide not realizing that Tapiture actually had the worst of it inside. But I saw no way to play him from the outside on this track. He ran well for second. That horse is slowly coming around again.

raybo · 09-20-2014, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by menifee

Only Tom could call a race where a horse set a track record a "crap" race.

Well, track record or not, 47 and 1:10 in a 9f race isn't crap, maybe not the great, considering the speed on the rail, but certainly not crap.

pele polo · 09-20-2014, 06:08 PM

Absolute BS how the other riders were too busy playing defense by keeping Chrome stuck in rail that they let Bayern walk away with this one.

I'm still not overly impressed with Bayern.he has distance limitation and has showed some phoniness.

Not sure Espinoza even had the horse today to challenge Bayern on lead.

raybo · 09-20-2014, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Speed Figure

Sounds like he's saying CC ran a crap race.

Well, you don't find out if the horse runs like crap unless you run him.

mostpost · 09-20-2014, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cj

Come on, he wasn't winning in any case. He didn't have the horse today. It isn't like he finished 3rd beaten a length and a half. C J's Awesome beat him.

Menifee is right, which means you are wrong; but I won't say that. I think when California Chrome is boxed in like that he gets so stressed that he uses up all his energy. That is why he faded late. If he is in front or on the outside he is running relaxed and would have plenty of reserves for the stretch.

He was in perfect position if Espinosa had just let him run.

classhandicapper · 09-20-2014, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pele polo

Absolute BS how the other riders were too busy playing defense by keeping Chrome stuck in rail that they let Bayern walk away with this one.

I'm still not overly impressed with Bayern.he has distance limitation and has showed some phoniness.

Not sure Espinoza even had the horse today to challenge Bayern on lead.

All you can do is hope they send him to the Classic (which they won't). He's a really fast sprinter/miler. He can put up huge figures going long when he gets his own way. On an honest track with quality pressure going long I think he'll prove to be more ordinary. I saw nothing today that changed my view on him. You file it away and wait to make a play against him eventually.

cj · 09-20-2014, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mostpost

Menifee is right, which means you are wrong; but I won't say that. I think when California Chrome is boxed in like that he gets so stressed that he uses up all his energy. That is why he faded late. If he is in front or on the outside he is running relaxed and would have plenty of reserves for the stretch.

He was in perfect position if Espinosa had just let him run.

OK, but I still get to keep all the money, right?

Maybe he doesn't like running inside, that is fine. But if he tries to go wire to wire against Bayern, he might finish last. If he moves off the rail to the outside, he gives up the golden rail that was pretty apparent today. I don't think either of those options was putting him in the winner's circle.

ArlJim78 · 09-20-2014, 06:14 PM

Didn't see the race so I don't know what transpired, but knowing that CC finished off the board I think you have seen his last race.

TheEdge07 · 09-20-2014, 06:14 PM

Any word from the CC owners...

Maybe he felt only horses who ran in the triple crown races shouldve showned up in the PA Derby..just sayin

Dark Horse · 09-20-2014, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by menifee

Only Tom could call a race where a horse set a track record a "crap" race.

A track record that stood for 40 years.

raybo · 09-20-2014, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cj

OK, but I still get to keep all the money, right?

Maybe he doesn't like running inside, that is fine. But if he tries to go wire to wire against Bayern, he might finish last. If he moves off the rail to the outside, he gives up the golden rail that was pretty apparent today. I don't think either of those options was putting him in the winner's circle.

I agree, he wasn't going to win this race unless several horses fell down, and maybe not even then. He had the rail, where he could save lots of energy, and yet he faded badly. I don't buy the "he doesn't like the rail" stuff, he just couldn't run his best today. Maybe, if he comes out of the race ok, and they actually run in the BC, maybe then he acquits himself better, but I find it hard to imagine him winning it.

Tor Ekman · 09-20-2014, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheEdge07

Great line on twitter

CC is the kid who got his growth spurt and a mustache at 12 yrs old.

+1

TheEdge07 · 09-20-2014, 06:21 PM

CJ-OK, but I still get to keep all the money, right?

Classic...

Dark Horse · 09-20-2014, 06:22 PM

Bayern, Chrome, Shared Belief.

Who said California racing was dead?

Can't wait for the Breeder's Cup.

classhandicapper · 09-20-2014, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cj

Maybe he doesn't like running inside, that is fine. But if he tries to go wire to wire against Bayern, he might finish last. If he moves off the rail to the outside, he gives up the golden rail that was pretty apparent today. I don't think either of those options was putting him in the winner's circle.

That's the way I see it.

In all honestly, when I woke up this morning my intention was to key on Tapiture in the exacta and tri and key against Bayern as the 2nd choice in at least the exacta. I was neutral on CC and would have used him to save.

When I saw the way the track was playing I knew I couldn't play Tapiture because I saw no way for him to work out a good trip from outside. I also became more negative against CC. It's well know he doesn't like to be inside horses and the only alternative was to be outside horses on the worse part of track. It was a predicament.

I did not bet the race because it's hard for me to mentally do a 180 and get on the horse (Bayern) I intended to key against because of the track, but I suspected that after the race I would be kicking myself for that particular mental flaw.