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05-24-2007, 02:55 PM
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Let's look at the primary differences between computers and people.
People -- can more readily adapt to new and varied circumstances and usually to gradations of variance.
Computers -- can more quickly tabulate data and do so with more consistency. Computers can also more quickly provide output.
Computers certainly can incorporate logic. As the power of computers increases, the knowledge of programmers grows and the theories behind computer logic blossom, computers are increasingly being used to provide logical solutions to problems and this includes in the world of horse race handicapping.
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05-24-2007, 03:02 PM
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#77
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Sorry I have offended those in the group by not wanting to buy their suspect software.
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This is what you gathered from my post? That I want you to buy my software?
And, just for the record (of which you have absolutely none around here), why are your claims to be revered yet anyone else's to be suspect?
Rarely do I ever say such a thing to another human being, but you, sir, are an idiot.
Sincerely,
Dave Schwartz
Last edited by Dave Schwartz; 05-24-2007 at 03:05 PM.
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05-24-2007, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtTrack
Sorry I have offended those in the group by not wanting to buy their suspect software.
I have made a lot of money by looking at horses in paddocks and post parade
I have made a lot of money by handicapping the form and finding different angles.
I have lost a lot of money using these so called wonder programs
I have lost a lot of money listening to the so called experts
If I wanted a computer to make my picks for me I would write a program to factor in what I thought was important.
Sorry again I am not promoting your software but I view it as a way for the seller to make $$$ by making false promisses to someone wanting to get rich with no effort.
Believe it or not a lot of folks made a living at the track before computers were a houshold item and a lot still do
If you are not selling a program let me know and I will code one out and sell it to you and we can all be happy
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I write my own programs (not for sale).
A handicapper can use as many different tools as the handicapper chooses. Computers, printed information, physicality, whatever. All of the info CAN be evaluated for a decision. If it works, it works.
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05-24-2007, 03:06 PM
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velocitician
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NO ONE is saying that one mode of handicapping and wagering is superior or inferior to another, but to tell sucessful handicappers that all computer analysis of racing is bogus is fairly stupid given that we have years of accumulated data that say otherwise.
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05-24-2007, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 46zilzal
NO ONE is saying that one mode of handicapping and wagering is superior or inferior to another, but to tell sucessful handicappers that all computer analysis of racing is bogus is fairly stupid given that we have years of accumulated data that say otherwise.
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I don't get it. If nobody is saying one mode is superior or inferior, then why do we need to discuss someone saying that computer analysis of racing is bogus? By your statement, nobody said such a thing. I think they did.
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05-24-2007, 03:35 PM
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DirtRoadGamblers
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Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz
This is what you gathered from my post? That I want you to buy my software?
And, just for the record (of which you have absolutely none around here), why are your claims to be revered yet anyone else's to be suspect?
Rarely do I ever say such a thing to another human being, but you, sir, are an idiot.
Sincerely,
Dave Schwartz
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Seems that the Donkey calling others an idiot would learn to read.
I never called anyones claims to be suspect only the software you are promoting.
IF your software worked so great I doubt you would be selling it to make your money and would be actually using it
It is very obvious the reason my posts have upset you is due to promoting against buying software such as the products you provide.
Your right though - I am an idiot - not for being honest about your SUSPECT software but for waisting my time explaining myself to someone like you.
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05-24-2007, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtTrack
Seems that the Donkey calling others an idiot would learn to read.
I never called anyones claims to be suspect only the software you are promoting.
IF your software worked so great I doubt you would be selling it to make your money and would be actually using it
It is very obvious the reason my posts have upset you is due to promoting against buying software such as the products you provide.
Your right though - I am an idiot - not for being honest about your SUSPECT software but for waisting my time explaining myself to someone like you.
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Have you tried Mr. Schwartz's software?
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05-24-2007, 03:52 PM
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IF your software worked so great I doubt you would be selling it to make your money and would be actually using it
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The same old lament. If it is any good, why would anyone sell it?
So, why should anyone ever purchase even so much as a book about handicapping? After all, the author must have left out anything that had value.
Some number of years ago I had a bone removed from my head that compelled me to tell every idiot that he was an idiot. I guess they did not get it all. But at least I only need to say it once.
I will attempt to be done now.
D.S.
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05-24-2007, 03:57 PM
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Comfortably Numb
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Originally Posted by DirtTrack
IF your software worked so great I doubt you would be selling it to make your money and would be actually using it
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How in hell do you explain the sale of the racing form? Is that data impossible to make money with? Your logic is illogical .
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05-24-2007, 04:06 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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You know how you buy something and it says on the box "Batteries Required"?
Dave's software say right on the box "Brains Required"
So to answer Ranchwest's question...NO! this troll has not tried it.
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05-24-2007, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
You know how you buy something and it says on the box "Batteries Required"?
Dave's software say right on the box "Brains Required"
So to answer Ranchwest's question...NO! this troll has not tried it.
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05-24-2007, 04:26 PM
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So, why should anyone ever purchase even so much as a book about handicapping? After all, the author must have left out anything that had value.
--------> To a beginner.....alot of sound advice has great value.
I have read over 20 handicapping books.
They had great value....
With the knowledge, and my own trial and error,
I was able to develop my winning approach.
What i have a problem with...
are all those unproven "scam" type programs..that promise great returns (with no long-term documented proof).
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05-24-2007, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by alexander99
So, why should anyone ever purchase even so much as a book about handicapping? After all, the author must have left out anything that had value.
--------> To a beginner.....alot of sound advice has great value.
I have read over 20 handicapping books.
They had great value....
With the knowledge, and my own trial and error,
I was able to develop my winning approach.
What i have a problem with...
are all those unproven "scam" type programs..that promise great returns (with no long-term documented proof).
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So, you don't have a problem with all the scam books, with no documented proof?
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05-24-2007, 04:43 PM
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DirtRoadGamblers
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Originally Posted by ranchwest
Have you tried Mr. Schwartz's software?
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Nope
Otherwise I would either call it good or lousy
To be fair I call it suspect because that is what it is to me at this point
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05-24-2007, 04:47 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alexander99
What i have a problem with...
are all those unproven "scam" type programs..that promise great returns (with no long-term documented proof).
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Could you give us an example of one of these programs, and what claims were made?
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