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05-24-2007, 12:27 PM
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Journeyman
Join Date: May 2007
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Well said.
Great post.
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05-24-2007, 12:29 PM
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Journeyman
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 80
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Painful for whom??
I am enjoying this.
Someone has to educate you guys...
snap out of it.
Except for a handful of people on here, it seems that everyone else is brain-washed into the 1+1= winner syndrome.
Lets wake up.
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05-24-2007, 12:31 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Bird Rock
Posts: 16,697
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alexander99
Painful for whom??
I am enjoying this.
Someone has to educate you guys...
snap out of it.
Except for a handful of people on here, it seems that everyone else is brain-washed into the 1+1= winner syndrome.
Lets wake up.
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Show us how it's done. Educate us, o great imposter.
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05-24-2007, 12:34 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: near Lone Star Park
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alexander99
No, the artist is now empowered to look beyond oil and canvas and paint with any brush, broad or narrow, any medium, any surface. The whole world is opened up.
That world can be traditional, contrarian, anything a person can imagine.
----------->Great. I agree.
Imagination is key.
We don't need computer programs for this.
I am talking about myself....perhaps programs may be of assistance to others.
In that case, heyy...its a free country.
You can spend your money and time as u like.
PS When i buy the DRF, i am not buying it for the opinions of others.
I am buying it for the (occasional ) interesting article...and for the PPs.
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Imagination is NOT the key. CREATIVITY is the key. Big difference.
A computer can provide the tools to be MORE CREATIVE.
If you choose to be less creative, it's a free country (as you said). Knock yourself out.
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Equine Performance Analyst, Quick Grid Software
Last edited by ranchwest; 05-24-2007 at 12:36 PM.
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05-24-2007, 12:37 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Canandaigua, New york
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigmack
Sounds like your quite the artist. How bout rollin' over to the selections thread and delighting us with a few masterpieces?
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You are KILLING, stop it!
I'm dying here!
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Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
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05-24-2007, 12:42 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: near Lone Star Park
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigmack
Sounds like your quite the artist. How bout rollin' over to the selections thread and delighting us with a few masterpieces?
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We've found over the years that there's some folks who will never post any picks. My guess is....
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05-24-2007, 01:45 PM
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DirtRoadGamblers
Join Date: May 2005
Location: on a dirt road, AR
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Originally Posted by cj
First, it is consistent.
Your post is bullshit. There are very experienced (re: years of learning different angles, tracks and general racing BS) handicappers that also happen to be able to program their ideas, or logic. If the logic is profitable, the program can be as well.
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Thanks for the correction - not a spelling B champ but did hit the Tri in the Derby and Super in the Preakness with only help from a computer being how I placed the wagers and obtained my form
If you think a computer can apply logic then you need to quit watching so many sci-fi movies.
10101010101010101010101010101100
Result of computed data
No logic included (or lack of it)
Thanks for the suggestion to play someone elses (or somethings) picks but I am doing quite fine with my own
Maybe the link below will help you understand computers:
http://www.amazon.com/PCs-Dummies-Pc...386805-3828128
Can you provide a link to the computer that picks up on a horse bowed up or kicking in the post parade?
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05-24-2007, 01:56 PM
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velocitician
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 26,297
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There are MANY websites devoted to exchanging ideas on how specific computer programs find amazing results. These would not be bolstered by as many members if there was not a string of reproducable logic that translates to profit in the hands of competent users if they were not useful.
Our site has over 300 members who wouldn't stay around if the computer program did not work......Other sites can boast the same membership and results....Logic is programable.
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05-24-2007, 01:59 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
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Yes.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtTrack
Can you provide a link to the computer that picks up on a horse bowed up or kicking in the post parade?
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I found two. You wouldn't want them.
I had to buy a new monitors and "reboot."
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05-24-2007, 02:01 PM
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velocitician
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 26,297
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtTrack
Can you provide a link to the computer that picks up on a horse bowed up or kicking in the post parade?
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that aspect is way over-played. Personal Ensign looked asleep most of the time on the way to the post, as did Miesque.
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05-24-2007, 02:12 PM
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velocitician
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 26,297
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alexander99
When we try to find a mechanical solution to an art (handicapping is an art, not a science)...
we are essentially telling an artist...to forget about his imagination,
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horse crap. MANY of our contributors have found correlations that, before their epiphanies, were totally unknown. It was the result of looking deeper into the numbers, or in the mode of BLINK, forgetting many of the irrelevant ones.
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05-24-2007, 02:17 PM
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DirtRoadGamblers
Join Date: May 2005
Location: on a dirt road, AR
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyfox
I found two. You wouldn't want them.
I had to buy a new monitors and "reboot."
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@ least someone has a sense of humor
Glad to see not everyone here takes it as an FU because some of us prefer to make our picks ourselves instead of buying their software.
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05-24-2007, 02:21 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Reno, NV
Posts: 16,915
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DirtTrack,
Quote:
Can you provide a link to the computer that picks up on a horse bowed up or kicking in the post parade?
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And can you point me to a single human being that can translate that information into an odds line adjustment?
How much is a kcik worth if a horse is 5/2 on your line? Does that deop him to 3/1? 4/1? 15/1?
Listen, there are plenty of people using JUST A COMPUTER to make their bets. In fact, I doubt that you can find a single Benter/Wagner-type player who sits down in the morning and says, "Let's see... which horses are going to make up my $400k of handle today?"
Personally, my own software takes a lot of artfulness. But we put the artfulness into the system-development side so that we don't have to do it at race time.
There is more than one way to skin a cat.
You have found a way that works for you with art. Congratulations. If I do it differently, do I have to give the money back?
Regards,
Dave Schwartz
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05-24-2007, 02:50 PM
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DirtRoadGamblers
Join Date: May 2005
Location: on a dirt road, AR
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz
Personally, my own software takes a lot of artfulness. But we put the artfulness into the system-development side so that we don't have to do it at race time.
There is more than one way to skin a cat.
You have found a way that works for you with art. Congratulations. If I do it differently, do I have to give the money back?
Regards,
Dave Schwartz
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Sorry I have offended those in the group by not wanting to buy their suspect software.
I have made a lot of money by looking at horses in paddocks and post parade
I have made a lot of money by handicapping the form and finding different angles.
I have lost a lot of money using these so called wonder programs
I have lost a lot of money listening to the so called experts
If I wanted a computer to make my picks for me I would write a program to factor in what I thought was important.
Sorry again I am not promoting your software but I view it as a way for the seller to make $$$ by making false promisses to someone wanting to get rich with no effort.
Believe it or not a lot of folks made a living at the track before computers were a houshold item and a lot still do
If you are not selling a program let me know and I will code one out and sell it to you and we can all be happy
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05-24-2007, 02:54 PM
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DirtRoadGamblers
Join Date: May 2005
Location: on a dirt road, AR
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz
DirtTrack,
And can you point me to a single human being that can translate that information into an odds line adjustment?
How much is a kcik worth if a horse is 5/2 on your line? Does that deop him to 3/1? 4/1? 15/1?
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Will do it right now for you:
Betting a winning horse = CA$H TICKETS
Of course I do not believe in basing decisions about who will win a race should be made on the odds but feel free to throw out all the favorites you want they only win 1/3 of the time...
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