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Old 09-23-2021, 05:17 PM   #811
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I don't easily buy into the conspiracy theories that circulate all over the place. We've been talking about this "massive and staggering" evidence for a year now. If it's so "massive and staggering"...where is it hiding all this time? Why isn't the public made aware of it? Fixing an election appears to me to be the worst type of fraud ever perpetrated...why is such a monumental injustice left up to the Mike Lindells of the world to expose?

The whole thing is ridiculous...as far as I am concerned.
Sadly, I agree.

BUT, the evidence was there for 4+ years for anybody conscious enough to acknowledge. The intelligence agencies dropping fake stories to their MSM servants doesn't count for anything?

You think RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA and stuff like "bounties on US Forces heads in Afghanistan" didn't sway the election at all? It was all bullshit in the end.

A fraud of an impeachment didn't taint public opinion?

Come on.

That's enough right there.

Plus there is tons more. Then add in the high probability of actual rigging on election day...and it's amazing Trump got as many votes as he did.
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There has been a mountain of affidavits and circumstantial evidence provided but apparently, only tangible evidence is good enough and that is why the AZ forensic audit was performed. It took months to make it happen because the left was obstructing in every way possible. What is ridiculous about gathering hard physical evidence? What kind of proof would you like to see?
I would like to direct you to post #798 of this thread...where ReplayRandall has reproduced Trump's latest message about the "election fraud".

"The proof is massive and staggering. The Presidential Election of 2020 was Rigged! When the information becomes public, people will see that it wasn't even close"...Trump declares in the message.

Even Trump himself admits in the above message that this "massive and staggering" evidence hasn't yet been made public. It isn't just that I want to see more evidence. Trump HIMSELF keeps insisting that there is "massive and staggering" evidence out there which still hasn't been made public. And I am wondering what's keeping this evidence from becoming publicly known.
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I would like to direct you to post #798 of this thread...where ReplayRandall has reproduced Trump's latest message about the "election fraud".

"The proof is massive and staggering. The Presidential Election of 2020 was Rigged! When the information becomes public, people will see that it wasn't even close"...Trump declares in the message.

Even Trump himself admits in the above message that this "massive and staggering" evidence hasn't yet been made public. It isn't just that I want to see more evidence. Trump HIMSELF keeps insisting that there is "massive and staggering" evidence out there which still hasn't been made public. And I am wondering what's keeping this evidence from becoming publicly known.
The results of the AZ forensic audit are supposed to be released tomorrow at 1pm. What kind of evidence would you like to see? What would be irrefutable in your eyes?
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The results of the AZ forensic audit are supposed to be released tomorrow at 1pm. What kind of evidence would you like to see? What would be irrefutable in your eyes?
I would like to see Trump present his "massive and staggering" evidence to a Republican judge, and not get laughed out of court...as he repeatedly was all those prior times.

It shouldn't be that hard to convince a Republican judge...should it?
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out of thin air?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/u...ing-fraud.html

HISTORICALLY and DOCUMNETED out of millions upon millions of votes over decades, ever think it odd that it was supposedly WIDESPREAD only now, and only in state that orange buffoon THOUHGT he won?

quote: Election officials in dozens of states representing both political parties said that there was no evidence that fraud or other irregularities played a role in the outcome of the presidential race, amounting to a forceful rebuke of President Trump’s portrait of a fraudulent election.

Over the last several days, the president, members of his administration, congressional Republicans and right wing allies have put forth the false claim that the election was stolen from Mr. Trump and have refused to accept results that showed Joseph R. Biden Jr. as the winner.

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/...Fraud_Myth.pdf

quote: The Brennan Center’s seminal report on this issue, The Truth About Voter Fraud, found that most reported incidents of voter fraud are actually traceable to other sources, such as clerical errors or bad data matching practices. The report reviewed elections that had been meticulously studied for voter fraud, and found incident rates between 0.0003 percent and 0.0025 percent. Given this tiny incident rate for voter impersonation fraud, it is more likely, the report noted, that an American “will be struck by lightning than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls.”

A review of the 2016 election found four documented cases of voter fraud.

Two studies done at Arizona State University, one in 2012 and another in 2016, found similarly negligible rates of impersonation fraud. The project found 10 cases of voter impersonation fraud nationwide from 2000-2012. The follow-up study, which looked for fraud specifically in states
where politicians have argued that fraud is a pernicious problem, found zero successful prosecutions for impersonation fraud in five states from 2012-2016.

A comprehensive 2014 study published in The Washington Post found 31 credible instances of impersonation fraud from 2000 to 2014, out of more than 1 billion ballots cast. Even this tiny number is likely inflated, as the study’s author counted not just prosecutions or convictions, but
any and all credible claims.

The Fifth Circuit, in an opinion finding that Texas’s strict photo ID law is racially discriminatory, noted that there were “only two convictions for in-person voter impersonation fraud out of 20 million votes cast in the decade” before Texas passed its law.

In its opinion striking down North Carolina’s omnibus restrictive election law —which included a voter ID requirement — as purposefully racially discriminatory, the Fourth Circuit noted that the state “failed to identify even a single individual who has ever been charged with committing in person voter fraud in North Carolina.”

A federal trial court in Wisconsin reviewing that state’s strict photo ID law found “that impersonation fraud — the type of fraud that voter ID is designed to prevent — is extremely rare” and “a truly isolated phenomenon that has not posed a significant threat to the integrity of Wisconsin’s elections.”

Even the Supreme Court, in its opinion in Crawford upholding Indiana’s voter ID law, noted that the record in the case “contains no evidence of any [in-person voter impersonation] fraud actually occurring in Indiana at any time in its history.” Two of the jurists who weighed in on that case at
the time — Republican-appointed former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens and conservative appellate court Judge Richard Posner — have since announced they regret their votes in favor of the law, with Judge Posner noting that strict photo ID laws are “now widely regarded as a means of voter suppression rather than of fraud prevention.”

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a longtime proponent of voter suppression efforts, argued before state lawmakers that his office needed special power to prosecute voter fraud, because he knew of 100 such cases in his state. After being granted these powers, he has brought six such cases, of which only four have been successful. The secretary has also testified about his review of 84 million votes cast in 22 states, which yielded 14 instances of fraud referred for prosecution, which amounts to a 0.00000017 percent fraud rate.

A specialized United States Department of Justice unit formed with the goal of finding instances of federal election fraud examined the 2002 and 2004 federal elections, and were able to prove that 0.00000013 percent of ballots cast were fraudulent. There was no evidence that any of these incidents involved in-person impersonation fraud. Over a five year period, they found “no concerted effort to tilt the election.”

In Maine, an investigation into 200 college students revealed no evidence of fraud. Shortly thereafter, an Elections Commission appointed by a Republican secretary of state found “there is little or no history in Maine of voter impersonation or identification fraud.”

In Wisconsin, a task force charged 20 individuals with election crimes. The majority charged were individuals with prior criminal convictions, who are often caught up by confusing laws regarding restoration of their voting rights.

In Florida, a criminal investigation into nine individuals who allegedly committed absentee ballot fraud led to all criminal charges being dismissed against all voters.

As historians and election experts have catalogued, there is a long history in this country of racially suppressive voting measures — including poll taxes and all-white primaries — put in place under the guise of stopping voter fraud that wasn’t actually occurring in the first place. The surest way toward voting that is truly free, fair, and accessible is to know the facts in the face of such rhetoric.
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I would like to see Trump present his "massive and staggering" evidence to a Republican judge, and not get laughed out of court...as he repeatedly was all those prior times.

It shouldn't be that hard to convince a Republican judge...should it?
This is not only about Trump, it also affects senate and congressional races.

Jovan Pulitzer says on a scale of 1 - 10, the evidence of massive fraud in the AZ November 2020 election is a “12”.
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This is not only about Trump, it also affects senate and congressional races.

Jovan Pulitzer says on a scale of 1 - 10, the evidence of massive fraud in the AZ November 2020 election is a “12”.
HOGWASH...the outgoing polls were right on in almost every major race
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/u...ing-fraud.html

HISTORICALLY and DOCUMNETED out of millions upon millions of votes over decades, ever think it odd that it was supposedly WIDESPREAD only now, and only in state that orange buffoon THOUHGT he won?

quote: Election officials in dozens of states representing both political parties said that there was no evidence that fraud or other irregularities played a role in the outcome of the presidential race, amounting to a forceful rebuke of President Trump’s portrait of a fraudulent election.

Over the last several days, the president, members of his administration, congressional Republicans and right wing allies have put forth the false claim that the election was stolen from Mr. Trump and have refused to accept results that showed Joseph R. Biden Jr. as the winner.

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/...Fraud_Myth.pdf

quote: The Brennan Center’s seminal report on this issue, The Truth About Voter Fraud, found that most reported incidents of voter fraud are actually traceable to other sources, such as clerical errors or bad data matching practices. The report reviewed elections that had been meticulously studied for voter fraud, and found incident rates between 0.0003 percent and 0.0025 percent. Given this tiny incident rate for voter impersonation fraud, it is more likely, the report noted, that an American “will be struck by lightning than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls.”

A review of the 2016 election found four documented cases of voter fraud.

Two studies done at Arizona State University, one in 2012 and another in 2016, found similarly negligible rates of impersonation fraud. The project found 10 cases of voter impersonation fraud nationwide from 2000-2012. The follow-up study, which looked for fraud specifically in states
where politicians have argued that fraud is a pernicious problem, found zero successful prosecutions for impersonation fraud in five states from 2012-2016.

A comprehensive 2014 study published in The Washington Post found 31 credible instances of impersonation fraud from 2000 to 2014, out of more than 1 billion ballots cast. Even this tiny number is likely inflated, as the study’s author counted not just prosecutions or convictions, but
any and all credible claims.

The Fifth Circuit, in an opinion finding that Texas’s strict photo ID law is racially discriminatory, noted that there were “only two convictions for in-person voter impersonation fraud out of 20 million votes cast in the decade” before Texas passed its law.

In its opinion striking down North Carolina’s omnibus restrictive election law —which included a voter ID requirement — as purposefully racially discriminatory, the Fourth Circuit noted that the state “failed to identify even a single individual who has ever been charged with committing in person voter fraud in North Carolina.”

A federal trial court in Wisconsin reviewing that state’s strict photo ID law found “that impersonation fraud — the type of fraud that voter ID is designed to prevent — is extremely rare” and “a truly isolated phenomenon that has not posed a significant threat to the integrity of Wisconsin’s elections.”

Even the Supreme Court, in its opinion in Crawford upholding Indiana’s voter ID law, noted that the record in the case “contains no evidence of any [in-person voter impersonation] fraud actually occurring in Indiana at any time in its history.” Two of the jurists who weighed in on that case at
the time — Republican-appointed former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens and conservative appellate court Judge Richard Posner — have since announced they regret their votes in favor of the law, with Judge Posner noting that strict photo ID laws are “now widely regarded as a means of voter suppression rather than of fraud prevention.”

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a longtime proponent of voter suppression efforts, argued before state lawmakers that his office needed special power to prosecute voter fraud, because he knew of 100 such cases in his state. After being granted these powers, he has brought six such cases, of which only four have been successful. The secretary has also testified about his review of 84 million votes cast in 22 states, which yielded 14 instances of fraud referred for prosecution, which amounts to a 0.00000017 percent fraud rate.

A specialized United States Department of Justice unit formed with the goal of finding instances of federal election fraud examined the 2002 and 2004 federal elections, and were able to prove that 0.00000013 percent of ballots cast were fraudulent. There was no evidence that any of these incidents involved in-person impersonation fraud. Over a five year period, they found “no concerted effort to tilt the election.”

In Maine, an investigation into 200 college students revealed no evidence of fraud. Shortly thereafter, an Elections Commission appointed by a Republican secretary of state found “there is little or no history in Maine of voter impersonation or identification fraud.”

In Wisconsin, a task force charged 20 individuals with election crimes. The majority charged were individuals with prior criminal convictions, who are often caught up by confusing laws regarding restoration of their voting rights.

In Florida, a criminal investigation into nine individuals who allegedly committed absentee ballot fraud led to all criminal charges being dismissed against all voters.

As historians and election experts have catalogued, there is a long history in this country of racially suppressive voting measures — including poll taxes and all-white primaries — put in place under the guise of stopping voter fraud that wasn’t actually occurring in the first place. The surest way toward voting that is truly free, fair, and accessible is to know the facts in the face of such rhetoric.
For someone “disassociated”, you expend a lot of energy digging up irrelevent rubbish.
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HOGWASH...the outgoing polls were right on in almost every major race
We will see.
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This is not only about Trump, it also affects senate and congressional races.

Jovan Pulitzer says on a scale of 1 - 10, the evidence of massive fraud in the AZ November 2020 election is a “12”.
https://www.azmirror.com/2021/04/30/...ovan-pulitzer/

quote: Policies and procedures recently released by the Florida based firm auditing Maricopa County’s election along with observations of the auditing process reveal that auditors are scouring the 2.1 million ballots for “counterfeits” by using an unproven process created by the man who developed one of the “worst inventions” ever.

Pulitzer’s most well known invention is the CueCat, a barcode reader which placed number five in Time Magazine’s worst inventions of all time just under Agent Orange and beating out subprime mortgages.

The invention was popular among hackers due to the ease at which they were able to hack the device and use it for whatever purpose they needed. However, CueCat would also later be the subject of a data.

That technology was developed by Jovan Pulitzer, a favorite of election fraud conspiracy theorists, who claims to have invented technology that can detect fraudulent ballots by examining the folds in the paper and the markings in various elections. When he asserted that Joe Biden’s win in Georgia last year was marred by fraud that only he could detect, Georgia’s Republican secretary of state derided him as a “failed inventor and a failed treasure hunter.”

Pulitzer, who does not have a background in election work, has claimed his technology can tell if a human or machine marked the ballot, as well as if a ballot is made of the right type of paper.

He has said that his technology identifies “kinematic markers” that indicate if a piece of paper has been handled, folded or processed in the mail and has claimed to have tested the technology on over 2 million ballots. Pulitzer told the Mirror that he cannot discuss anything about that work, including where it was done, because it is subject to non-disclosure agreements.

Can't discuss? right just like all the other CLOWNS who have all this evidence which they NEVER deliver on
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For someone “disassociated”, you expend a lot of energy digging up irrelevant rubbish.
You live in a world of fantasy
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quote: Policies and procedures recently released by the Florida based firm auditing Maricopa County’s election along with observations of the auditing process reveal that auditors are scouring the 2.1 million ballots for “counterfeits” by using an unproven process created by the man who developed one of the “worst inventions” ever.

Pulitzer’s most well known invention is the CueCat, a barcode reader which placed number five in Time Magazine’s worst inventions of all time just under Agent Orange and beating out subprime mortgages.

The invention was popular among hackers due to the ease at which they were able to hack the device and use it for whatever purpose they needed. However, CueCat would also later be the subject of a data.

That technology was developed by Jovan Pulitzer, a favorite of election fraud conspiracy theorists, who claims to have invented technology that can detect fraudulent ballots by examining the folds in the paper and the markings in various elections. When he asserted that Joe Biden’s win in Georgia last year was marred by fraud that only he could detect, Georgia’s Republican secretary of state derided him as a “failed inventor and a failed treasure hunter.”

Pulitzer, who does not have a background in election work, has claimed his technology can tell if a human or machine marked the ballot, as well as if a ballot is made of the right type of paper.

He has said that his technology identifies “kinematic markers” that indicate if a piece of paper has been handled, folded or processed in the mail and has claimed to have tested the technology on over 2 million ballots. Pulitzer told the Mirror that he cannot discuss anything about that work, including where it was done, because it is subject to non-disclosure agreements.

Can't discuss? right just like all the other CLOWNS who have all this evidence which they NEVER deliver on

Let the ad hominem attacks begin! Perhaps you can wait until the report actually comes out and then point out the flaws in the data produced by the audits. It might be hard because talking points usually don't provide facts or logical arguments.
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None of that has stopped Trump’s brazen attempts to subvert the will of American public. In a phone call last Saturday, he pressured Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a fellow Republican, to “find 11,780 votes” in order to reverse the outcome in the state — a move that legal experts have condemned as a flagrant abuse of power.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...raud-yet-again

The president’s claims of widespread voter fraud are not just unsubstantiated — they are flat-out false, and have been repeatedly and definitively debunked by scores of the nation’s leading election administrators, national security leaders, political leaders, and election experts. Indeed, the top federal agencies in charge of election security issued a joint statement declaring that the November 3 election was “the most secure in American history” and that there was “no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.”

Trump’s fraud claims were so outrageous that several courts went so far as to denounce the ethics of the lawyers who filed them and expressed incredulity at the relief they sought — namely, to disenfranchise hundreds or even millions of voters. Trump fared no better in the lead up to Election Day, when he filed more than a dozen lawsuits predicting that the election would be marred by fraud. Courts rejected every one of those claims.

In a recent phone call, Trump pressured Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a fellow Republican, to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat. Historically speaking, where does this rank as a presidential abuse of power?

This undoubtedly ranks as one of the most egregious abuses of presidential power in the history of the republic. Never before has a sitting president attempted to use his power to try to overturn the result of an election he lost. Not only did Trump threaten a public official to try to get him to violate the law, but he did so in an attempt to subvert the democratic process — the very foundation of our political system and the president’s authority.
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So working your whole adult life in Canada means these United States is a better retirement than a doctor would enjoy in Canada? That fantasy world really?
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