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Originally Posted by hcap View Post
Cohen may have more on Trump.
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Further info from Cohen is not part of his sentencing agreement.
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08-22-2018, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom
Further info from Cohen is not part of his sentencing agreement.
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Cohen directly implicated Trump, stating that he paid porn star Stormy Daniels and Playboy model Karen McDougal “at the direction of” the candidate, “for the principal purpose of influencing the election.”
Cohen’s Guilty Plea Puts Trump in a Perilous Spot
The prospect of a criminal prosecution will loom over the rest of his presidency.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...-perilous-spot
It’s happened: Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, admitted in open court Tuesday to violating federal campaign finance laws — at the direction of a candidate who told him to do so. Cohen is saying that Trump was a principal of the crime he admits to having committed. Under federal law, that makes Trump criminally liable as an accomplice.
The closest historical analogy is when Watergate special prosecutor Leon Jaworski named President Richard Nixon as an unindicted co-conspirator. That was based in part on testimony by John Dean, who had implicated Nixon in congressional testimony while Nixon was still in office. But even Dean’s 1973 guilty plea in court to obstruction of justice did not state that he had committed his crimes at the direction of the president.
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08-22-2018, 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by hcap
It’s happened: Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, admitted in open court Tuesday to violating federal campaign finance laws — at the direction of a candidate who told him to do so. Cohen is saying that Trump was a principal of the crime he admits to having committed. Under federal law, that makes Trump criminally liable as an accomplice.
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Hilarious!
Another one taking a plea bargain and something a PROSECUTOR says is illegal - as an actual adjudication.
Prosecutors aren't judges and they aren't juries. They can say whatever they want and Cohen can plead to whatever he wants, but that has absolutely no bearing on Trump. Nothing has changed.
Do you think they can arrest Trump for campaign finance violations and forego a trial and just say, "Hey, we have this plea bargain Cohen signed and the prosecutor said he broke the law and Cohen states for the record that you told him to, so off you go to jail. No need to waste a judge and jury's time on this...it's already been decided."
What are you smoking?
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08-22-2018, 01:37 AM
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Duh! It is illegal. Remember John Edwards?
Chumpy 10x worse
"Edwards's trial began on April 23, 2012, as he faced up to 30 years in prison and a $1.5 million fine. ... On May 31, 2012, Edwards was found not guilty on Count 3, illegal use of campaign funding (contributions from Rachel "Bunny" Mellon), while mistrials were declared on all other counts against him."
You cultists are the only ones making stuff up.
Rudy aficionados maybe?
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08-22-2018, 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by hcap
Duh! It is illegal. Remember John Edwards?
Chumpy 10x worse
"Edwards's trial began on April 23, 2012, as he faced up to 30 years in prison and a $1.5 million fine. ... On May 31, 2012, Edwards was found not guilty on Count 3, illegal use of campaign funding (contributions from Rachel "Bunny" Mellon), while mistrials were declared on all other counts against him."
You cultists are the only ones making stuff up.
Rudy aficionados maybe?
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Well, he actually USED CAMPAIGN FUNDS, so there's that.
The whole thing is so murky, and the law so murky, that if this is what you're hanging your hat on (flavor of the day), God help you.
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08-22-2018, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by hcap
Duh! It is illegal. Remember John Edwards?
Chumpy 10x worse
"Edwards's trial began on April 23, 2012, as he faced up to 30 years in prison and a $1.5 million fine. ... On May 31, 2012, Edwards was found not guilty on Count 3, illegal use of campaign funding (contributions from Rachel "Bunny" Mellon), while mistrials were declared on all other counts against him."
You cultists are the only ones making stuff up.
Rudy aficionados maybe?
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dang, you are right ... how many days does he have left ? 2250 ?
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08-22-2018, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by davew
2 days deliberation no verdict? the prosecutors did a bad job with what each indictment was for, and figured the average Joe would know all about shell companies, money laundering, lying on bank loan applications....
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Looks like the "average Joes" got up to speed on the charges.
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08-22-2018, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Whosonfirst
Looks like the "average Joes" got up to speed on the charges.
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some of them, over half no
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08-22-2018, 09:01 AM
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#129
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08-22-2018, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Well, he actually USED CAMPAIGN FUNDS, so there's that.
The whole thing is so murky, and the law so murky, that if this is what you're hanging your hat on (flavor of the day), God help you.
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Cohen was reimbursed by Trump. A $130,000 payment to Daniels by Cohen was reimbursed by the Trump Organization as part of more than $400,000 in expenses and fees. The payments, Cohen now admits, were made to keep damaging information from becoming public in the 2016 election — felony actions because they were unreported political contributions and exceeded campaign finance limits.
Remember 2 women, one Daniels, and the other McDougal were paid hush money just before the election. Daniels right after the Access Hollywoo fiasco. Common sense that news about Trump actually grabbing more pu*ies, would have negatively impacted his chances
The campaign laws are not murky.The payment to Daniels, intended to silence the woman, totaled $130,000 and is considered to be an in-kind contribution in excess of the maximum allowable amount. Remember the Trump organization reimbursed Cohen. Giuliani did tie Daniels’ allegation to the Trump campaign.
"Imagine if that came out on Oct. 15, 2016, in the middle of the last debate with Hillary Clinton?" Giuliani said.
Besides Cohen copped a plea yesterday ADMITTING that's what is was for
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08-22-2018, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by reckless
As a reminder, Mueller's indictment of Manafort was about 'money-laundering' accusations allegedly done by Manafort in the ... 1980s? 1990s? 2000s? ... basically, nothing to do about Trump, the 'Russians', and the 2017 campaign.
Lying to the FBI? Another joke.
Mueller does need to get this lawsuit tossed because if he can't the world will eventually know how stupid a prosecutor Mueller really is, trust me.
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Well there's always the appeal or a pardon. What's the odds on a pardon? 50/50? But it wont matter b/c the IL and/or NY AGs will then proceed with their own charges - no pardon available at the state level, and jurisdictionally jeopardy doesn't attach.
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08-22-2018, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
Well there's always the appeal or a pardon. What's the odds on a pardon? 50/50? But it wont matter b/c the IL and/or NY AGs will then proceed with their own charges - no pardon available at the state level, and jurisdictionally jeopardy doesn't attach.
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if i was Manafort, i would find a country that has no extradition and will take him, and do a quick dixie out of here.
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08-22-2018, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by lamboguy
if i was Manafort, i would find a country that has no extradition and will take him, and do a quick dixie out of here.
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Yeah because they forgot to take his passport away. Or better yet, since he is still in solitary confinement, let's forget about the whole escape thing.
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08-22-2018, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by upthecreek
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Cappy disagrees, so...
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08-22-2018, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tucker6
Cappy disagrees, so...
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He disagrees with everyone.
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