AQ purses for fall/winter

[Canarsie]

Originally Posted by Spiderman

I will try it. Have you been accepted as customer? The drop-down menu only shows NY and CT

No next time I go to Brooklyn I'll make a quick trip to the Big A.

This is part of what they wrote back to me seems pretty clear. That have a form on the site that you can mail in or fax.


All NYRA Rewards members are allowed to login and watch live streaming races but not fund or wager online. Only New York residents are currently allowed to wager online. However, if you are or become a NYRA rewards member, you can take advantage of our live streaming option.


Hope this helps.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by the little guy

Actually he's wrong. Dead wrong.

Plenty of horses will stay in NY for superior purses.

You know as well as anyone that many horses head to Florida for a break along with their trainers and owners. Until there are stakes races at Aqueduct that rival Gulfstreams winter meet the better 2yo's will be at PM and GP. The higher purses in NY may keep some of the older stakes/allowance type horses here that is a given.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by Canarsie

No next time I go to Brooklyn I'll make a quick trip to the Big A.

This is part of what they wrote back to me seems pretty clear. That have a form on the site that you can mail in or fax.


All NYRA Rewards members are allowed to login and watch live streaming races but not fund or wager online. Only New York residents are currently allowed to wager online. However, if you are or become a NYRA rewards member, you can take advantage of our live streaming option.


Hope this helps.

I triple-checked and found the printable application. Thanks.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by onefast99

You know as well as anyone that many horses head to Florida for a break along with their trainers and owners. Until there are stakes races at Aqueduct that rival Gulfstreams winter meet the better 2yo's will be at PM and GP. The higher purses in NY may keep some of the older stakes/allowance type horses here that is a given.

Thank you for agreeing with my post. The rest was unnecessary.

[BlueShoe]

Originally Posted by GatetoWire

I also think this could hurt the Fair Grounds and Oaklawn..

Not mentioned yet is what impact, if any, will the NYRA purse increases have on Santa Anita? Assuming they finally get the dirt track right and perhaps even rollback the exotics takeout, SA could bounce back. Would have to think that SA and Gulfstream, as well as FG and OP are still better places for a good 3yo on the Derby trail than the winter inner AQU, larger purses or not.

[igiveupregistering]

Originally Posted by BlueShoe

Not mentioned yet is what impact, if any, will the NYRA purse increases have on Santa Anita? Assuming they finally get the dirt track right and perhaps even rollback the exotics takeout, SA could bounce back. Would have to think that SA and Gulfstream, as well as FG and OP are still better places for a good 3yo on the Derby trail than the winter inner AQU, larger purses or not.

Who declared the purses in AQU 2012 are targeted to "attract 2-yr olds or 3yr old "Derby contenders? NO ONE but posters here.

As HAYWARD stated in the same Paulick "interview", the "main objective in raising purses is to "reward those outfits that stay in NY for the winter and fill the NYRA cards".

[cj]

Originally Posted by onefast99

You know as well as anyone that many horses head to Florida for a break along with their trainers and owners. Until there are stakes races at Aqueduct that rival Gulfstreams winter meet the better 2yo's will be at PM and GP. The higher purses in NY may keep some of the older stakes/allowance type horses here that is a given.

Who cares where 2yos are in January and February?

[BlueShoe]

Originally Posted by igiveupregistering

Who declared the purses in AQU 2012 are targeted to "attract 2-yr olds or 3yr old "Derby contenders? NO ONE but posters here.

But it MAY do just that. One of the subjects under discussion is what effect might the increased purse structure have on other tracks as to attracting and keeping runners during their upcoming meetings. Good younger horses are just part of the picture, not the whole.

[cj]

Originally Posted by BlueShoe

But it MAY do just that. One of the subjects under discussion is what effect might the increased purse structure have on other tracks as to attracting and keeping runners during their upcoming meetings. Good younger horses are just part of the picture, not the whole.

This is highly unlikely. There is no real incentive to boost the purses of the 3yo races since in all likelihood the race would still attract the same fields as they do now.

[Robert Goren]

This thread highlights what is wrong with racing and why they even need slots. They need stop competing for horses and start competing for handicappers. This whole thread is about whether or not AQU will get some horses that go south for the winter. It should be about getting handicappers who bet on races at the southern winter tracks to bet on AQU races. No wonder this sport is dying.

[andtheyreoff]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

This thread highlights what is wrong with racing and why they even need slots. They need stop competing for horses and start competing for handicappers. This whole thread is about whether or not AQU will get some horses that go south for the winter. It should be about getting handicappers who bet on races at the southern winter tracks to bet on AQU races. No wonder this sport is dying.

As your favorite track showed last year, big fields=big handle. More purse money=big fields=big handle.

Rest assured, once Aqueduct gets the slot money, plenty of handicappers will gravitate toward betting that track.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

This thread highlights what is wrong with racing and why they even need slots. They need stop competing for horses and start competing for handicappers. This whole thread is about whether or not AQU will get some horses that go south for the winter. It should be about getting handicappers who bet on races at the southern winter tracks to bet on AQU races. No wonder this sport is dying.

With all due respect, Robert, it seems to me that in your haste to be negative, you constantly miss the bigger picture. Making the races " better " makes them better for horseplayers...and thus is better for handicappers/horseplayers.

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by andtheyreoff

As your favorite track showed last year, big fields=big handle. More purse money=big fields=big handle.

Rest assured, once Aqueduct gets the slot money, plenty of handicappers will gravitate toward betting that track.

They gravitate faster and in bigger numbers if they lowered the takeout 5% at the same time. The one thing that 2010 Monmouth season proved once and forever. A dollar increase in purses results in less than a dollar increase take out dollars.

Lower takeout rates = more handle = more profit = higher purses. Rest assured if AQU lowered its takeout rates, the boom in handle would bring higher purses and more horses. It is a win-win situation for everyone concerned.

[toussaud]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

It should be about getting handicappers who bet on races at the southern winter tracks to bet on AQU races.

which isn't going to happen

i know it's a lost cause but i really would like to see NYRA shut it down from thanksgiving until the first week in April.

Come January-feburary Aqueduct is just the track that is getting in the way of me watching other tracks on HRTV


I don't mean that in a condescending way at all and no disrespect to the people who play the circuit year round, that's just how i feel about the situation.

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by the little guy

With all due respect, Robert, it seems to me that in your haste to be negative, you constantly miss the bigger picture. Making the races " better " makes them better for horseplayers...and thus is better for handicappers/horseplayers.

With all due respect, In your "haste" to be overly postive You are missing the bigger picture. Lower takeout means more playable races means more money wagered means more money for purses. If you look at history of racinos, you do not see a pretty picture for bettors after the first couple of years. The fields start to shrink and they are right back where they were before the slots moved in. I hope that is not the case in NY, but history says otherwise. Just look at what happened in PA, WV, and DE. Slots have not resulted in a better product five years out in any place with the exception of maybe Oaklawn. That is because they did the same thing that NY is doing. Increasing the purses and hoping the bettors will show up . What makes you think that it will work in NY when it has not worked in long run any place else. I am just saying go after the bettors first and the money for the purses will follow. What have they got lose?