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06-21-2012, 05:08 PM
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What caused thread about NYRA in General Racing to be closed?
Hi -- anyone know why the thread about NYRA was closed?
Was it something someone posted? I didn't see anything too awful. As a matter of fact, I thought there was some good debating going on -- lots of pro and con.
Just wondering...
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06-21-2012, 05:17 PM
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how much debate is really needed for a track cancellation? it was already up to something like 50 replies.
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06-21-2012, 05:26 PM
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looked like debate had gone on and the thread came to a good closure...
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06-21-2012, 05:56 PM
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seems like there are alot of people on the internet in general with too much time on there hands to take the time to comment on such trivial stuff.
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06-21-2012, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by acorn54
seems like there are alot of people on the internet in general with too much time on there hands to take the time to comment on such trivial stuff.
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...like debating the closure of a thread
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06-21-2012, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
how much debate is really needed for a track cancellation? it was already up to something like 50 replies.
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That is exactly my point. 50 replies in just a few hours. Obviously it is a topic worth discussing. Or do you cut off the discussion when you disagree with the person on the other side of the issue?
Seems to me a major purpose of a message board is to provide a forum for discussion where a lot of different views can be expressed and maybe a person with one opinion can learn something from a person with a different opinion.
Plus, I would think the operator of the board would want as many eyes viewing the board as possible. Facebook didn't become a multibillion dollar enterprise by shutting down opposing views.
It seemed to me the thread might have evolved into taking a look at cancelations in general, not today, in particular.
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06-21-2012, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
looked like debate had gone on and the thread came to a good closure...
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. It seemed it came to a rather abrubt ending. If there was a lot of fighting going on and name calling and it was getting nasty then it makes sense to close it. I didn't see any horrible posts, so that is why I was curious.
I was interested in hearing more opinions. But, I'm inquisitive by nature.
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06-21-2012, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by acorn54
seems like there are alot of people on the internet in general with too much time on there hands to take the time to comment on such trivial stuff.
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Hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost business is trivial?
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06-21-2012, 06:38 PM
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In any case, thanks to all of you for replying. The answer seems pretty clear now.
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06-21-2012, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by swetyejohn
Hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost business is trivial?
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More like millions...which is why your stance is so confusing. Do you think the people running NY racing WANTED to lose out on that money today? Because that is what happened as a result of the cancelling.
Of course not. But the decision was made and it was made knowing they would be losing that business. How can you fault them for that?
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06-21-2012, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss9698
More like millions...which is why your stance is so confusing. Do you think the people running NY racing WANTED to lose out on that money today? Because that is what happened as a result of the cancelling.
Of course not. But the decision was made and it was made knowing they would be losing that business. How can you fault them for that?
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I agree.
It's one thing to criticize a business for putting their bottom line ahead of safety...but to criticize them for putting safety first -- even at considerable cost?
Very unfair, IMO.
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06-21-2012, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by swetyejohn
Hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost business is trivial?
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i can assure you that the person who made the call to cancel was well aware of the revenue which would be lost.
of course its not a trivial matter, but neither is the well being of the animals and riders or the risk of running and having an ugly heat related incident.
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06-21-2012, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by swetyejohn
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. It seemed it came to a rather abrubt ending. If there was a lot of fighting going on and name calling and it was getting nasty then it makes sense to close it. I didn't see any horrible posts, so that is why I was curious.
I was interested in hearing more opinions. But, I'm inquisitive by nature.
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I guess I am missing the point.
Like I said, it looked to me like the issue had run it's course and it came to a good closure with the final posts which had emphasis that the cancellation was for safety reasons and politics. Safety reasons and politics seem very logical to me, and unless I am naive to a hidden aspect, I don't see the sense in going on in circles...
I am totally missing any additional sides to the issue. 
It cost me money today, so obviously I wanted them to run. They made a judgement call that is easy to understand with the given climate.
Maybe there are other issues and conspiracies that I am just ignorant to? If so, it would benefit myself and others if you or others in the know would come out and state them.
I went back to look at the thread, and you didn't offer anything aside from venting a few complaints. Maybe it was closed prematurely before you had the chance.
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06-21-2012, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
...like debating the closure of a thread
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So now we are debating the debating of the closure of a thread.  We do get creative from time to time over here. 
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06-21-2012, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss9698
More like millions...which is why your stance is so confusing.
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And what do you think my stance is?
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Originally Posted by Dahoss9698
But the decision was made and it was made knowing they would be losing that business. How can you fault them for that?
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You really need to read my replies. I never faulted them for that. Unless, when you say "you" you are not refering to me, but everyone in general. If you are not refering to me then what I just wrote doesn't apply to you.
I really did not want to get into a discussion of the cancelation. I was just curious. I read the TOS of PA after I started this thread. The TOS says: "You agree not to question the way moderators exercise their discretion in moderating and enforcing forum rules and guidelines."
I wasn't really interested in the way they exercise discretion as much as I was interested in why they chose to exercise discretion. Maybe that's the same thing? No big deal. As I said... it is clear to me why the thread was closed.
So they probably should close this thread, too.
Last edited by swetyejohn; 06-21-2012 at 07:30 PM.
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