Stop Playing the anthem at Nfl games

[FantasticDan]

Originally Posted by MutuelClerk

Players in the NFL have killed, raped, beaten people and they get to play. I also disagree with the Kaepernick stance but in the big picture of things. His crime against humanity isn't near as bad. Misguided? Sure.

Whether his actions during the anthem are "misguided" or not is certainly debatable, but his work with various charities is exemplary..

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.3436250

[jimmyb]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

Whether his actions during the anthem are "misguided" or not is certainly debatable, but his work with various charities is exemplary..

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.3436250

If Kapernick can praise the good works of the misguided and oppressive Fidel Castro, I guess you can praise the good works of the 'misguided' Kapernick.

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

Whether his actions during the anthem are "misguided" or not is certainly debatable, but his work with various charities is exemplary..

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.3436250

The fact he had a summer camp and invited Black Panthers to speak is something to be really proud of, do some research, the guy is a stupid piece of crap puppet and his girlfriend, a left wing radical is pulling the strings. Once his NFL career went in the toilet and he hooked up with Nessa his strange behavior began. Really odd that a rich athlete that could have almost women he wanted is a hen pecked wimp.

[Track Collector]

Professional sports teams overlook a lot of baggage and will take a chance on a player if they feel the player will contribute to their success.

Kap excelled in the Pistol Offense (same as RG3), but defenses adapted and his strengths as a player are no match with today's offenses.

His controversies are at best a lesser, secondary reason for his non-employment in the NFL.

[Valuist]

Originally Posted by Track Collector

Professional sports teams overlook a lot of baggage and will take a chance on a player if they feel the player will contribute to their success.

Kap excelled in the Pistol Offense (same as RG3), but defenses adapted and his strengths as a player are no match with today's offenses.

His controversies are at best a lesser, secondary reason for his non-employment in the NFL.

Track Collector,

Where is Lethbridge?

[DSB]

What does the flag and national anthem stand for?

Apparently many - if not most - equate it with the government and its policies.

I've never thought of it that way. I believe the flag and, by extension, the national anthem, stand for the people of America. They honor the spirit and sacrifices made by the people of our nation, both past and present.

If I have a problem with the government, I'll protest the government, but not the flag or anthem.

I don't hold anything against the right to protest, it just seems that a lot of the ire is misplaced.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

Whether his actions during the anthem are "misguided" or not is certainly debatable, but his work with various charities is exemplary..

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.3436250

And completely irrelevant.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by DSB

What does the flag and national anthem stand for?

Apparently many - if not most - equate it with the government and its policies.

I've never thought of it that way. I believe the flag and, by extension, the national anthem, stand for the people of America. They honor the spirit and sacrifices made by the people of our nation, both past and present.

If I have a problem with the government, I'll protest the government, but not the flag or anthem.

I don't hold anything against the right to protest, it just seems that a lot of the ire is misplaced.

And many of those who sacrificed for that flag and perception of it either personally of by losing a relative who did are sitting in the stands after paying ridiculous prices to pay the salaries of those malcontented aholes. Or watching on TV.

But these morons have no problem playing for a league that buys and sells and trades Black men like the plantations used to do.

Sellouts.

[upthecreek]

https://www.newsmax.com/thewire/anth...r=010504y9xacv

[highnote]

I did a little digging about when the National Anthem started to be played before sporting events. It started in 1862 with baseball. Back then the Anthem was only played on special occasions because it was necessary to hire a band to play it.

When recording became widely available in the 1940s some baseball owners thought the National Anthem was cheapened because it was played too often.

In 2009 the U.S Military started paying NFL teams to stage patriotic events and of course the National Anthem was played.

http://dailysnark.com/nfl-teams-didn...l-anthem-2009/

A 2015 congressional report revealed that the Department of Defense had paid $5.4 million to NFL teams between 2011 and 2014 to stage on-field patriotic ceremonies; the National Guard shelled out $6.7 million for similar displays between 2013 and 2015.

Before 2009 players stayed in the locker room and didn't even come out for the National Anthem.

I know that there is a different attitude now towards the Anthem than when I was growing up. We did stand for the anthem, but it seemed sincere, not forced. But also back then, we said the Pledge of Allegiance every morning at school.

Personally, I would rather have our kids say the line "One nation under God" from the Pledge every morning than to have our military pay the NFL to help sway public opinion by creating a sense of patriotism. It's false patriotism. Either you want to be patriotic or you don't. It's patriotism by bullying. You can't buy true patriotism and you can't force someone to be patriotic.

I will continue to stand for Anthem because I always have. I do believe it is overused. It was played twice tonight before each high school volleyball playoff game. I will have stood for the Anthem about 6 to 8 times this week.

Maybe those old baseball owners had a point about the Anthem being cheapened by playing it too often.

If it is worth playing then it is worth hiring a real band to perform it, not some crappy recording played over an antiquated public address system.

Or at least have a human being sing it acapella and give it the emotion it deserves -- as long as it's not Roseanne Barr.

[MutuelClerk]

highnote, well said. I personally can't stand a recorded National Anthem. Just going thru the motions. When it comes to the National Anthem I have to think of my country when I stand. Usually hand over heart. If I think of my government. i'll vomit.

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by DSB

What does the flag and national anthem stand for?

Apparently many - if not most - equate it with the government and its policies.

I've never thought of it that way. I believe the flag and, by extension, the national anthem, stand for the people of America. They honor the spirit and sacrifices made by the people of our nation, both past and present.

If I have a problem with the government, I'll protest the government, but not the flag or anthem.

I don't hold anything against the right to protest, it just seems that a lot of the ire is misplaced.

Well put, agree 100%.

[highnote]

Originally Posted by DSB

What does the flag and national anthem stand for?

Apparently many - if not most - equate it with the government and its policies.

I've never thought of it that way. I believe the flag and, by extension, the national anthem, stand for the people of America. They honor the spirit and sacrifices made by the people of our nation, both past and present.

If I have a problem with the government, I'll protest the government, but not the flag or anthem.

I don't hold anything against the right to protest, it just seems that a lot of the ire is misplaced.

I agree the Anthem represents the country, but I would go one step further and say it represents the potential of the country. There are many things wrong with this country and the Anthem should not represent those. But there are many more good things and that is what the Anthem stands for.

I appreciate Kapernick's willingness to to stand up for what he believes in (pardon the pun), but perhaps he could have chosen a less divisive platform.

[thaskalos]

In this, the age of the multi-billion dollar TV deals...the NFL still collects money from the military in order to "promote patriotism"? This boggles the mind!

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by highnote

I agree the Anthem represents the country, but I would go one step further and say it represents the potential of the country. There are many things wrong with this country and the Anthem should not represent those. But there are many more good things and that is what the Anthem stands for.

I appreciate Kapernick's willingness to to stand up for what he believes in (pardon the pun), but perhaps he could have chosen a less divisive platform.

What I don't understand is how I fall in an extreme minority category who seems to be most offended by the fact he and his supporters seem to believe he has a right to stage his so called protest while he was wearing the uniform and being paid by the San Francisco 49ers without their prior approval.


As far as Kaepernick standing up, that is laughable. He starting pulling his long list of crap after hooking up with his left wing radical DJ girlfriend Nessa. He does not think for himself, he is like an old school ventriloquist dummy.