RIP to Mongolian Groom and CA Racing

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

This is 100 percent wrong. Deleting the material looks like a cover up. And it's not best practice- it's literally worst practice, something you never do if you have nothing to hide.

if horse racing did nothing wrong here, I want people to look at those workout videos. I want them to see everything. Full transparency.

Indeed, if I were on the CHRB, I would right now seek to pass a rule REQUIRING the track to put those videos back up and attaching a fine, license revocation, and jail time for any racing executive who orders a race or workout video taken down.

That's what people do who have nothing to hide.

Not all may be missing. I just saw a video posted on Twitter from XBTV that was entitled that it was his last work (I didn't watch it all, saw some jogging, but it definitely was on the XBTV site).

[FenceBored]

Originally Posted by MargieRose

Watch the video in slow motion (.25) starting at about 5:06. The 4, War of Will, was somehow involved, IMO. He curiously, quickly dropped back, right after passing Mongolian Groom. Something between the two very subtly happened...again, IMO.

https://youtu.be/cSwttol3MIA?t=306

Mongolian Groom is already being pulled up sharply when he is still clear of War of Will.

[jay68802]

Originally Posted by horsefan2019

They do have an agenda....for some reason they are only targeting Santa Anita....when the races move over to Del Mar in a week, unfortunately there will be some breakdowns as well....but I doubt they will send over their reporters outside of the track after every instance. Santa Anita already put fixes into the track surface via drainage, hired more vets and bought some ridiculously expensive medical scanner yet thats not enough for these people. They are focusing on the bad news because they have an agenda.

Santa Anita has been made the poster child for all of horse racing. And yes, the reporters will be at Del Mar or where ever as soon as another fatality occurs, and Santa Anita will be connected in some way. Yes, Santa Anita has reacted to the bad press, and have implemented some policies and changes that have needed to be done for a long time now. But the media is quick to point out that the changes happened after the fact, and are too little, and to late. As others have pointed out, this problem will continue, it can not be completely eliminated. By being reactive and non-transparent, horse racing has allowed this to become a public issue, and might pay a dear price for it.

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

Really? Hollywood Park's track didn't suck. It was great- far fewer fatalities and it played a lot like dirt.

And Golden Gate's track doesn't suck now. Neither does Woodbine's or Arlington's or Turfway's, or any of the synthetics in England.

Yes, those all happen to suck.

In your fantasy world, the public would be so overjoyed at the Death Toll of 27 horses, instead of '37',... that sacrificing the current dirt racing, would be totally worth it.

Then simply ban Lasix,... and Voila!Problem solved!



That's not how things, or people, work.

[Blenheim]

Terribly sad but not surprising, another one bites the dust, soon to be forgotten, another nail in the coffin of a slowly dying sport. Does anyone remember scopolamine Bob and the Triple Crown heist . . .

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Blenheim

Terribly sad but not surprising, another one bites the dust, soon to be forgotten, another nail in the coffin of a slowly dying sport. Does anyone remember scopolamine Bob and the Triple Crown heist . . .

Slowly is the key word, if at all.

People have been saying racing has been dying for decades...and yet...still here...still new tracks popping up in fact.

It's the slowest death ever recorded in human history apparently.

[The_Turf_Monster]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Slowly is the key word, if at all.

People have been saying racing has been dying for decades...and yet...still here...still new tracks popping up in fact.

It's the slowest death ever recorded in human history apparently.

Should we go back a few decades and see if there are more or less tracks and races being run today vs a few decades ago? The jockey club can tell you what the goal crop numbers are

[Wabash]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Slowly is the key word, if at all.

People have been saying racing has been dying for decades...and yet...still here...still new tracks popping up in fact.

It's the slowest death ever recorded in human history apparently.

I agree. Some people just like to think the worst all the time. My favorite track to visit is Keeneland and been going there just about every meet for last 15 years. And it’s the same now as it was 15 years ago. Most of the smaller tracks near me(Ellis, Indiana Grand,Hoosier Park) have casinos now which have made racing much better with bigger purses. Guess it depends where you are and what you consider dying.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

Yes, those all happen to suck.

In your fantasy world, the public would be so overjoyed at the Death Toll of 27 horses, instead of '37',... that sacrificing the current dirt racing, would be totally worth it.

Then simply ban Lasix,... and Voila!Problem solved!



That's not how things, or people, work.

The vast majority of the "public" don't give a crap about horse racing. There is no public outcry to end racing or to end dirt tracks.

The sky is not falling.
Agree 100% on the lasix.
And agree those track do suck and HOL DID suck for quite a while.
And SA sucked more than ANY of them.

Today, there just is NOT enough FACTUAL and ACCURATE data available to make ANY realistic decisions about anything.

This latest fatality, in the hind ankle, is not your typical breakdown, and there is nothing to indicate it had anything to do with the track.

[PaceAdvantage]

All of this fake outrage and fake tears over dying horses is nothing but bullshit.

It's the cause du Jour for a certain segment of Social Justice Warriors.

Horses die. People die. Children die. Animals die. Everyone dies.

How many people are killed, paralyzed, brain damaged from driving cars every day? Where is the outrage?

ONE AND A HALF MILLION dogs & cats are PUT DOWN in shelters EVERY YEAR because they can't find a home. (ASPCA stats).

Where is the outrage? Where is the daily count of euthanized dogs and cats on the front page of the LA Times?

Yes, horses die on the track. They have always died on the track. Ruffian was almost 50 years ago. It's always happened, and it always is going to happen.

BUT, they are treated humanely. They aren't allowed to suffer with their irreparable injuries. Just like the 1.5 million dogs and cats, they are put to sleep when it is determined their injuries are terminal and nothing can be done to save them.

And those that don't die...the majority are treated well by their owners and trainers. They are sheltered, fed, exercised...and many find a life off the track when they no longer are suitable for racing.

Yes, there is a certain percentage of horses who meet an ugly end...whether dying on the track, or being shipped to a slaughterhouse in a foreign land when their owners take the easy way out. But strides have been made over the past few decades to try and remedy all of these problems.

Is the world perfect? No. Is horse racing perfect? No.

But all this nonsense...as if this just started happening, or something is radically different...is just that...nonsense.

Would it be great if all horses never died and all retired racehorses went to loving, productive homes? Sure. But that's not reality and will never be reality.

Those of you long time posters here who seem to be jumping on the SJW bandwagon and portraying racing as the equivalent of a slaughterhouse...shame on you. You're not the solution...and most likely part of the problem.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

You have an irrational, unrealistic view of reality.

Nope. I believe we are a regulated sport that exists because the taxpayers let us exist. And we are accountable to them.

Everything we do should be public. We don't get to kerp secrets.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

Yes, those all happen to suck.

In your fantasy world, the public would be so overjoyed at the Death Toll of 27 horses, instead of '37',... that sacrificing the current dirt racing, would be totally worth it.

Then simply ban Lasix,... and Voila!Problem solved!



That's not how things, or people, work.

The public won't be overjoyed. But politics is about swing voters. And yes, reducing the breakdown rate through reform will help move the middle towards us.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Those of you long time posters here who seem to be jumping on the SJW bandwagon and portraying racing as the equivalent of a slaughterhouse...shame on you. You're not the solution...and most likely part of the problem.

This argument will persuade people in Kentucky, where the economy depends on the sport.

It won't persuade Californians, who don't want to hear about "social justice warriors" (we LIKE social justice here) or about how we aren't as bad as the domestic pet industry, and who will continue to be rich as sin even if the entire racing industry goes away.

So if racing doubles down on this message, you will destroy the sport in California. Do you want that?

If you don't want that, then you need to put away this message and instead try to reform the sport to a point that a majority of California voters will accept it.

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

Really? Hollywood Park's track didn't suck. It was great- far fewer fatalities and it played a lot like dirt.

And Golden Gate's track doesn't suck now. Neither does Woodbine's or Arlington's or Turfway's, or any of the synthetics in England.

It didnt play like dirt, GG doesnt play like dirt, Woodbine's is worse than those two, and Turfway has become completely irrelevant to the nation scene (wasnt always like that.)

Kee started to become irrelevant and quickly switched back.

Now, its a separate discussion to injuries but to claim it played a lot like dirt is a bridge to far.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

This argument will persuade people in Kentucky, where the economy depends on the sport.

It won't persuade Californians, who don't want to hear about "social justice warriors" (we LIKE social justice here) or about how we aren't as bad as the domestic pet industry, and who will continue to be rich as sin even if the entire racing industry goes away.

So if racing doubles down on this message, you will destroy the sport in California. Do you want that?

If you don't want that, then you need to put away this message and instead try to reform the sport to a point that a majority of California voters will accept it.

I know who wants to destroy the sport in California and it ain't me. Look in the mirror.