the slide continues

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by bob60566

Increase investment in what .?

Most tracks today could lock the doors and still run races and people could watch from the casino windows if they wanted.

from CRW.

[Redboard]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

You see 6 horses and then 1 scratches and you've got horses...


when I used to 'cap every circuit, I would just scroll entries a...
......

For now it's Pick-5, and spot plays on turf, and an occasional full-field dirt stakes. The other thing they could do is scale Takeout to field-size.
suggestion; 10% is the minimum or less runners, add 2% per runner with a cap on 15% or whatever their current WPS takeout rate is.

The horsemen would figure this out a d enter dogs just to get the purses up.It The result would be larger fields with many having no shot going off at 99-1.

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by Redboard

The horsemen would figure this out a d enter dogs just to get the purses up.It The result would be larger fields with many having no shot going off at 99-1.

so they could jack-up to full takeout?

lol, probably right

[Zman179]

The trend is to reduce the amount of races in order to prop up field size. Before a seven race card was absolutely unheard of in the US, now they are becoming more commonplace (i.e. Louisiana Downs, Golden Gate). Maybe NYRA should reduce to eight races if the cards are coming up short? Because frankly, giving nearly $100,000 away to a five horse field or less is tantamount to handing out welfare.

Bottom line is that I’ll take a $4,000 claimer with 12 horses in it over a graded stake with six horses.

[Secondbest]

Del Mar is cutting 3 races a week.

[Secondbest]

Originally Posted by Afleet

Delaware has canceled a few cards so far this year. I can't see anything changing as long as the foal count continues to go down every year

What do you think the reason is? Is it tax law, not enough interested people?
When was the last year the foal count actually increased?

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by Secondbest

What do you think the reason is? Is it tax law, not enough interested people?
When was the last year the foal count actually increased?

United States foal crop.



2015.


Fallen lower since then



Allan

[elhelmete]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

United States foal crop.



2015.


Fallen lower since then



Allan

Even that is very misleading since the real curve of the decline over a period of time more applicable to this discussion is quite steep. Over 50% drop since 1990.

[Dave Schwartz]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

Just really hard to bet at 6.8 horses per event, especially when you consider turf races had bigger fields so the dirt races were int eh 5._ range. Just hard to continue to put time into the sport.

The reality is that small fields are here to stay.

Ironically, as fields get smaller, the game begins to look more like sports betting... except with a MUCH HIGHER take. (That will be the kiss of death for racing.)

[ronsmac]

[QUOTE=Dave Schwartz;2489129]The reality is that small fields are here to stay.

Ironically, as fields get smaller, the game begins to look more like sports betting... except with a MUCH HIGHER take. (That will be the kiss of death for racing.)[/QUOTEYes but with far fewer casual bettors.

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

The reality is that small fields are here to stay.

Ironically, as fields get smaller, the game begins to look more like sports betting... except with a MUCH HIGHER take. (That will be the kiss of death for racing.)

Dave Schwartz, that's scary



The 'disaster' that was(/is?) horse-racing 'Roulette' wager, had what 3? or so betting choices, but I think a 15% or 20% or whatever takeout rake??


So almost every outcome would have paid a better ROI to simply dutch...
A tiny field is absolutely decimated by the current takeout rates...

Maybe they need to go to 10% takeout?? I guess the horseman would have a fit.... Have to see the big picture, the long term...


FRUSTRATING


For now, the player is limited to spot-plays and certain exotic wagers.

[bob60566]

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

The reality is that small fields are here to stay.

Ironically, as fields get smaller, the game begins to look more like sports betting... except with a MUCH HIGHER take. (That will be the kiss of death for racing.)

It is already on course and some of the lifeboats have left the ship.

[Afleet]

Originally Posted by Secondbest

What do you think the reason is? Is it tax law, not enough interested people?
When was the last year the foal count actually increased?

To keep a horse in training costs about $4k per month (higher in NY). A human can live easily on $4k per month (except SF & NY generally speaking) why would an animal cost so much more than a human

[Afleet]

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

The reality is that small fields are here to stay.

Ironically, as fields get smaller, the game begins to look more like sports betting... except with a MUCH HIGHER take. (That will be the kiss of death for racing.)

I agree w/this. Full sports books are popping up everywhere takeout about 4% if Im not mistaken. I'm tired of betting into a 24% tri takeout. Isn't slot machine takeout about 5-6%? Horse racing takeout should 10-12%

[classhandicapper]

C O N S O L I D A T I O N