American Pharoah wins the Belmont & Triple Crown!!

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

That's it.
I've sat back for the past 90 minutes watching you stew as you type.

You have absolutely no sense of perspective,
or an earthly idea of what you're talking about.

Go for a long walk.....take up fishing....anything but horse racing, please.

Sorry if i think with logic and not with your kool aid on how good AP is.

Want to prove me wrong? Tell me 1 thing he did from a trip, pace perspective, in any of his races, that was impressive. Go ahead, I dare you. Just 1.....

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

You bankers are never satisfied. You always wanna see more...

I had to wipe the pee from my pants !!!!!

Good one old pal!!!

[zico20]

Originally Posted by NY BRED

Lets see,AP didn't deserve to win because he set a slow pace?
And, if he sets a fast pace and wins he didn't deserve to win because the other jocks didn't press AP.

So couple of thoughts.

Second fastest Belmont in racing history.

AP is second in the all time list of meeting more opponents other than War Admiral.

Wake up, this horse was noted as a freak early in his career by Jeff Seder,
who Zayat s/b sending a huge consultant fee.

Welcome the new three year old and horse of the year, and undoubtedly
best trainer and owner of 2015.

One correction in your post. It was the 6th best time ever.

http://www.sportingnews.com/sport/st...cretariat-2015

[horses4courses]

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

That sure didn't look like an "average horse" running down that stretch. It looked like a CHAMP to me.

Yep, the Legendary Coach Inge came home in 23.96 after setting similar fractions (But had true company hounded him) going 1 1/2 miles. AP came home in 24.32 (after being left alone like he had AIDS and an open blood wound). Some champion.

[EMD4ME]

Dressed up trips make good horses look great. But why focus on such irrelevant factors when discussing horse racing ?

[tzipi]

Originally Posted by depalma113

A joke? More like these jockeys knew they had absolutely no shot to beat him. He, as I have been saying for a long time, towers over every horse he has faced.

Well I will say then, thank God the USA boys of the 1980 Olympic hockey team didn't think the same way as they pushed hard and tried hard and defeated a team no one in the world could beat, The Big Red Machine. Thank God they didn't just lie back and watch and say they knew Russia would beat them. That was some hockey game.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

Sorry if i think with logic and not with your kool aid on how good AP is.

Want to prove me wrong? Tell me 1 thing he did from a trip, pace perspective, in any of his races, that was impressive. Go ahead, I dare you. Just 1.....

I was not on any bandwagon here.
I passed betting the race.
Just glad he won.

You really think his opposition is that weak?
Second fastest TC winning Belmont behind Secretariat.
Fourth race in eight weeks.
He must have been up against claimers.

Go ahead.
Continue making a fool of yourself.

[Steve R]

Originally Posted by depalma113

2:26 3/5

I don't want to hear any more garbage about this horse being slow.

Slow is a relative term. Yes, it was the fastest Belmont since 2001 on a fast surface. Meanwhile, Honor Code ran the 6th fastest Met Mile in 120 years, Wedding Toast set the stakes record in the Phipps and March ran the 5th fastest Woody Stephens in its 30-year history. The track was blazing fast all day. It doesn't detract from American Pharoah's performance but the time was consistent with a strongly speed-carrying surface. It will be interesting to see how the speed figure organizations view it. I thought it was about 1 1/2 to 2 lengths better than par for the race.

[highnote]

I'm somewhat in agreement with END4ME on AP's Belmont race.

I wrote the following in a post in a different thread:

Originally Posted by highnote

D. Wayne Lukas always said you just need to run 12 second eighths to win the Derby. Probably the same with the Belmont.

The early fractions were slightly faster last year, but the final time was slower. Maybe last year was Fast Early / Slow Late.

Two years ago the early fractions were blazing:
23.11, 46.66, 1:10.95, 1:36.47, 2:03.12, 2:30.07
Fast Early / Slow Late

I would like to have seen Fast Early / Fast Late, but that sort of race shape is run by superstars -- like Secretariat:

23 3⁄5, 46 1⁄5, 1:09 1⁄5, 1:34 1⁄5, 1:59, 2:24

This year looked Average Early / Average Late:

24.06, 48.83, 1:13.41, 1:37.99, 2:02.33, 2:26.65

It will be interesting to see AP's speed figure.

AP's connections did what they had to do to win. Nothing else should be expected. I just didn't find the race very interesting or impressive. To paraphrase Jim "The Hat" Bradshaw -- "Shoot. It ain't nothin' but a horse race. One horse goes out and gets the lead and the rest try to catch him."

Today, none of the jockeys wanted to catch him. They let AP lope along on an easy lead and then AP, to his credit, had plenty left in the tank.

As I also wrote in another thread, it will be interesting to see if AP sticks around long enough to run in the BC Classic. If he has to run 6 furlongs on the lead at 1:08 and change, it's doubtful he will be anywhere near the front when the first horse crosses under the wire.

[elhelmete]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

Yep, the Legendary Coach Inge came home in 23.96 after setting similar fractions (But had true company hounded him) going 1 1/2 miles. AP came home in 24.32 (after being left alone like he had AIDS and an open blood wound). Some champion.

Ridden by that moron Johnny V. Musta forgotten how to ride suddenly.

[highnote]

Originally Posted by Steve R

Slow is a relative term. Yes, it was the fastest Belmont since 2001 on a fast surface. Meanwhile, Honor Code ran the 6th fastest Met Mile in 120 years, Wedding Toast set the stakes record in the Phipps and March ran the 5th fastest Woody Stephens in its 30-year history. The track was blazing fast all day. It doesn't detract from American Pharoah's performance but the time was consistent with a strongly speed-carrying surface. It will be interesting to see how the speed figure organizations view it. I thought it was about 1 1/2 to 2 lengths better than par for the race.

The Met Mile was a more interesting race than the Belmont Stakes, in my opinion. I just saw the replay. Honor Code was perfectly suited for that pace scenario.

Have you made a Performance Figure for the Belmont Stakes and the rest of the card, yet?

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

I was not on any bandwagon here.
I passed betting the race.
Just glad he won.

You really think his opposition is that weak?
Second fastest TC winning Belmont behind Secretariat.
Fourth race in eight weeks.
He must have been up against claimers.

Go ahead.
Continue making a fool of yourself.

No genius, any real profitable player out there (they are 1 in 10,000) actually knows I speak the truth. I'm not on here to win anyone over or to sway anyone. I love it when people mock me and disagree with me. It reinforces that I should just keep betting as there are a lot of unseasoned players out there that believe hooplah and kool aid.

He might have won the TC but he's no champion in my eyes and my eyes, parimutually are all that matter and if I'm betting parimutually, I'm happy my logical opinion is against the masses opinion.

[whodoyoulike]

Originally Posted by Rex Phinney

I'll agree with you here. He runs the first 3/4 in 1:13 plus and no one is within a length of him????

Are they all cowards or just that slow???

Happy to see him win, I'll struggle pondering exactly what he beat

Slow?? He ran 24+, 48+ and 73 thru 6f.

How fast did you want him to go in a 12f race where you would think it was okay?

He was leading W2W, so why go faster. He is fortunate he wasn't pressed during the early part.

It's been a couple of hours are you still pondering away?

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by elhelmete

Ridden by that moron Johnny V. Musta forgotten how to ride suddenly.

Bluntly, Johnny V sucks. Always has, always will. He couldn't hold JD or Ramon's or his agents Jock Strap for 3 seconds.