American Pharoah wins the Belmont & Triple Crown!!

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

What no Jerry Bailey wiling to sacrifice his horse to give some other Jock a shot at the money, oh no!

If Jerry rode Materiality, we'd all be hailing Frosted the Belmont winner.

When Ramon got hurt, the last GREAT jockey left our continent. No one left (like Johnny V on the supposed 'I'm getting the lead no matter what" horse) and bullshit like this happens.

[tzipi]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

What no Jerry Bailey wiling to sacrifice his horse to give some other Jock a shot at the money, oh no!

Or Pincay being told to not let Secretariat walk out front and go after him with Sham. Pincay went hard after Secretariat and Secretariat battled for the TC and won. Awesome race and TC.

Did Pincay get blasted by that move back then?

This is why racing and the boards are great. Opinions. All good ones.

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by tzipi

Or Pincay being told to not let Secretariat walk out front and go after him with Sham. Pincay went hard after Secretariat and Secretariat battled for the TC and won. Awesome race and TC.

You see, if Johnny V went after him, AP dueled him and put him away through any decent fractions, his win would be validated to me.

A boat race, run like we're in roosevelt in 1956, urks me. His Preakness was the same. Sorry to be a party pooper, unimpressive.

Congrats to him, Baffert, Jose and the Z's regardless. Take them as you can.

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

If Jerry rode Materiality, we'd all be hailing Frosted the Belmont winner.

When Ramon got hurt, the last GREAT jockey left our continent. No one left (like Johnny V on the supposed 'I'm getting the lead no matter what" horse) and bullshit like this happens.

I have my doubts, not about Bailey trying to beat AP, but about Materiality. Not enough horse to do the job. He faded badly while running modest fractions.

[depalma113]

Originally Posted by tzipi

So because they KNEW they has no shot to beat the horse, they stayed off him though slow fractions? Doesn't seem right? They just gave up in the beginning of the race? At least challenge a horse you know is walking. He walked and they knew he was walking. These are seasoned top jocks with clocks in their heads. He we all have different opinions. Got to have debates

They had no shot to win if they challenged him early. They knew that. Pace handicapping 101.

[elhelmete]

Wasn't Victor supposed to be the pinhead jock in this race? With no clock? Guess not.

[Tall One]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

Unless he's Bayerd and he whacks out half the speeds in the classic, he has no shot in the classic.

And before anyone says I was wrong today.....I said...His only chance is to hit the lead, PRAY JOHNNNY V chokes and he cakewalks around.

Guess what......It happened.

An average horse is getting treated like a champ, it's ridiculous.

It won't happen again when 5 million is on the line.

You lost your ass...we get it.

[Rex Phinney]

Congrats to him. I take nothing away from him. I would have just like to see someone try a little harder to press him. Maybe he would have won anyway, as it is he won all three races without getting a speck of dirt on him.

It seems like dirt racing in general is run like this all the time. Those behind the leader are eternally sitting and waiting for what? A horse in front of them to stop after running thru fractions like a donkey? Unless you soften someone up they just keep going. The tracks play fast too.

I don't mean to hate on AP I just hate watching a parade dressed up like a horse race.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

Unless he's Bayerd and he whacks out half the speeds in the classic, he has no shot in the classic.

And before anyone says I was wrong today.....I said...His only chance is to hit the lead, PRAY JOHNNNY V chokes and he cakewalks around.

Guess what......It happened.

An average horse is getting treated like a champ, it's ridiculous.

It won't happen again when 5 million is on the line.

That sure didn't look like an "average horse" running down that stretch. It looked like a CHAMP to me.

[tzipi]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

You see, if Johnny V went after him, AP dueled him and put him away through any decent fractions, his win would be validated to me.

A boat race, run like we're in roosevelt in 1956, urks me. His Preakness was the same. Sorry to be a party pooper, unimpressive.

Congrats to him, Baffert, Jose and the Z's regardless. Take them as you can.

Yeah probably not the most popular opinion today, but a lot of people think is was just an easy walk race. He got out and seasoned jocks just watched him walk and they knew he was walking. No one challenged him again. I could see if he was Sec and Sham and running so fast that no one could keep up, but he was walking and they all watched behind him again.

He looked great in the final run because he had a full tank of gas from the walking I think.

But yes, congrats to the horse and team and racing for finally getting a TC winner for the fans!

Enjoy all

[CryingForTheHorses]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

You want my honest reaction? I wasnt impressed. I saw an average horse just get treated like he is Secretariat. That was a joke of a boat race. John V must of been rooting for jose or something because he let him crawl out there for 3/4 of a mile.

Nobody will like my answer but it's the truth. To me, that's a tainted TC. 3 slow paces. 1 where 10 horses got ****ed at the gate. 1 win vs a mdspwt pig and a joke of a belmont where speed was more than benefitted.

I said it before and I'll say it again. if he wins, I eat crow but if he wins while walking on a slow pace, it won't be an earned win.

this was more of a : "let's give one out for the good of racing"

I bet you wouldnt be saying that IF he was YOUR horse!!.......I love guys like you.ALWAYS looking for the bad in something good.GUYS like you are one of the reasons this sport gets bad publicly..Find another sport!

[depalma113]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

You want my honest reaction? I wasnt impressed. I saw an average horse just get treated like he is Secretariat. That was a joke of a boat race. John V must of been rooting for jose or something because he let him crawl out there for 3/4 of a mile.

Nobody will like my answer but it's the truth. To me, that's a tainted TC. 3 slow paces. 1 where 10 horses got ****ed at the gate. 1 win vs a mdspwt pig and a joke of a belmont where speed was more than benefitted.

I said it before and I'll say it again. if he wins, I eat crow but if he wins while walking on a slow pace, it won't be an earned win.

this was more of a : "let's give one out for the good of racing"

Try to justify betting against him any way you can. You can't see greatness when you are staring it in the face and that's sad for you.

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by tzipi

Or Pincay being told to not let Secretariat walk out front and go after him with Sham. Pincay went hard after Secretariat and Secretariat battled for the TC and won. Awesome race and TC.

Did Pincay get blasted by that move back then?

This is why racing and the boards are great. Opinions. All good ones.

Pincay had the horse to challenge Secretariat. None of these horses had that type of quality.

[Shelby]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

That sure didn't look like an "average horse" running down that stretch. It looked like a CHAMP to me.

Me too.

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

I have my doubts, not about Bailey trying to beat AP, but about Materiality. Not enough horse to do the job. He faded badly while running modest fractions.

Not my point. Pletcher said he's going to the lead no matter what. Gate opens, AP is not out quick. JV is out well, JV is not sending.

If if didn't know better, this race seemed fixed like a 4 claimer at Penn.

if JV goes hell bent to the lead, 2 scenarios happen:

1) AP earns an unmistakable Belmont win

2) AP loses to frosted.

now to me, it was a joke of a cakewalk for the chalk.