Ugly incident at CT, no contest in Race 4

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

Going off topic but I can't resist.....

I would LOVE to bet a 9 race card with..............NO PINHEADS.

Line em up, open the gate and let's see which horse is not only more talented but more intelligent.

No more choking down, no more stupid 5 wide moves into no flow/pace after choking down my lone speed etc.

Would be fun. Just place 15 outriders past the finish line and lasso them back in

You do all realize that the male horses will do their best to kill each other don't you? Stallions are not warm and cuddly creatures.

[Tom]

People at the tracks don't sit around and say "hmmmm what could we do to disrespect our customers".

.....really?

[andtheyreoff]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

Here's more ways the jock hurts the bettor.

1) "Giving" horses races, its random when a jock decides to give them education and when the jock rides like he has 10k to win.

2) Without the weight of the pinhead on the back of the horse, horses would stay more sound, there would be very few if any breakdowns or catastrophic injuries, horses wouldn't snap legs if they were running free without a pinhead hitting them, pushing them and banging on them with 120 lbs right on the small of the horse's back. we would have a LOT more large fields, plus, owners would have more money as the percentage of what the jock made would go back into the pockets of the owners and thus, be reinvested into the game.....they wouldn't go for cuban cigars, high priced hookers and new cars for jocks.

3) you would never get disqualified, they would just pay off the results like they do in dog racing.

Any questions?

The daily question: is Stillriledup sarcastic, or is he a genuine moron?

[LAP_520]

Originally Posted by LAP_520

Entries for Charles Town Race 4 on December 13, 2014

http://www.equibase.com/static/entry...EQB.html#RACE4


Follow up story on the accident in Paulick Report.

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ra...-charles-town/

12/15/2014
The on-off switch for a warning system to jockeys at Hollywood Casino at Charles Town racetrack was not triggered in the fourth race on Saturday night because it was not located in the stewards room, but down the hallway with the track’s official clocker, said Danny Wright, chief steward for the West Virginia Racing Commission.

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ra...stewards-room/

[Stillriledup]

So, its coming to light that the stewards were watching the race on the track feed......which means they heard the announcer unless the race was on mute.

There has been debate here at PA over this issue, some have been adamant that judges don't hear the announcers.

Would they specifically have the sound on mute while watching on the track feed?

Also, even if they were NOT watching on the track feed instead of "out the window" wouldn't they hear the announcer out the window?

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

So, its coming to light that the stewards were watching the race on the track feed......which means they heard the announcer unless the race was on mute

You sure like making uninformed assumptions don't you? Before you ask such a question, you might want to find out how many in house feeds this track has. For instance, at NYRA tracks they have several. Only one looks and sounds like what goes out. Some feeds have no sound. Your practical experience of racing is not that of track employees.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by OTM Al

You sure like making uninformed assumptions don't you? Before you ask such a question, you might want to find out how many in house feeds this track has. For instance, at NYRA tracks they have several. Only one looks and sounds like what goes out. Some feeds have no sound. Your practical experience of racing is not that of track employees.

What assumption am i making? I'm confused as to what you mean.

Also, by your post, is it fair of me to assume that you believe no judge has ever heard the announcer during a live racecall?

[iceknight]

Originally Posted by Steve 'StatMan'

Wonder too if they pull the replay because having it, and plenty more people wanting to see the replay causes a strain on the replay system and/or website, so they do that to preserve the integrity of the website speed.

Tough yo buy this theory. Good races also would get the same fate.

[Ruffian1]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

So, its coming to light that the stewards were watching the race on the track feed......which means they heard the announcer unless the race was on mute.

There has been debate here at PA over this issue, some have been adamant that judges don't hear the announcers.

Would they specifically have the sound on mute while watching on the track feed?

Also, even if they were NOT watching on the track feed instead of "out the window" wouldn't they hear the announcer out the window?

I cannot speak to what they do at C.T.

Danny Wright was in Md. for years as an official after he stopped riding though. I can only assume that he was shown how it used to be done at the time in Md. Here is what I saw in my probably 10 different visits to the Stewards box when a race was running over the years.

There are 3 Stewards. One would always watch a large TV with the standard feed everyone sees. One would watch a head on version . The 3rd one would watch from the window with binoculars and a radio ( ear piece or headset if I recall, but not positive. ) That radio was allowing him to communicate with the patrol judges that are stationed in about 4 different poles outside. They give an all clear or discuss a possible hold if they see something from their pole just inside the inside fence at various locations around the track. That is what that car is doing when it drives away from the paddock just before each post parade starts if you ever noticed. It's taking the officials to their stands around the track.( It's that way in Md., not sure about other places). So the sound could be down but I would think that they tune it out mentally even if they can hear it so as to talk between themselves or on the radio.

Really hard to say , but maybe that helps shed some light on the process.

There is a racing official in here I am pretty sure. Is it Mountainman? Still trying to learn whose who here. If so, he would maybe have more updated insight on how they do it where he works.

Hope that helps but again, that's how they used to do it in Md. So I cannot say for sure how C.T. does it.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Ruffian1

I cannot speak to what they do at C.T.

Danny Wright was in Md. for years as an official after he stopped riding though. I can only assume that he was shown how it used to be done at the time in Md. Here is what I saw in my probably 10 different visits to the Stewards box when a race was running over the years.

There are 3 Stewards. One would always watch a large TV with the standard feed everyone sees. One would watch a head on version . The 3rd one would watch from the window with binoculars and a radio ( ear piece or headset if I recall, but not positive. ) That radio was allowing him to communicate with the patrol judges that are stationed in about 4 different poles outside. They give an all clear or discuss a possible hold if they see something from there pole just inside the inside fence at various locations around the track. That is what that car is doing when it drives away from the paddock just before each post parade starts if you ever noticed.( It's that way in Md., not sure about other places). So the sound could be down but I would think that they tune it out mentally even if they can hear it so as to talk between themselves or on the radio.

Really hard to say , but maybe that helps shed some light on the process.

There is a racing official in here I am pretty sure. Is it Mountainman? Still trying to learn whose who here. If so, he would maybe have more updated insight on how they do it where he works.

Hope that helps but again, that's how they used to do it in Md. So I cannot say for sure how C.T. does it.

Mountainman is Mark Patterson, he's the guy on the signal who does the commentary between races and their announcer Peter Berry also pops in here on occasion.

The reason i bring up if stewards could hear the calls is because there was a discussion here a while back about judges and if they can hear the announcer and if hearing the call might, at least subconsciously, affect an inquiry. I think some of us were saying that announcers shouldnt be making DQs and if they embellish their call to make it sound like something really bad happened, it could be a factor, however slight.

Thanks for that info, good stuff!

[Ruffian1]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

Mountainman is Mark Patterson, he's the guy on the signal who does the commentary between races and their announcer Peter Berry also pops in here on occasion.

The reason i bring up if stewards could hear the calls is because there was a discussion here a while back about judges and if they can hear the announcer and if hearing the call might, at least subconsciously, affect an inquiry. I think some of us were saying that announcers shouldnt be making DQs and if they embellish their call to make it sound like something really bad happened, it could be a factor, however slight.

Thanks for that info, good stuff!

You are welcome. Anytime.

I think someone in here works in the racing office but I am not sure.

Honestly, I would be floored if they listened to the commentary of the race and it skewed their judgement on an inquiry or not. Because I can only rely on past experience , I go back to the Stewards from the 70's, 80's and 90's and from the ones I interacted with, I don't think ANY of them would even consider it. But.. times change and ... I have been floored before.

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

What assumption am i making? I'm confused as to what you mean.

Also, by your post, is it fair of me to assume that you believe no judge has ever heard the announcer during a live racecall?

You are assuming they watch the same feed as you. I doubt they do. I doubt there is sound on the feed they see. If you don't want sound on the feed, why would you listed to what the announcer says? You don't even understand the procedures in place at the track you are talking about, but you are commenting and complaining about them. One uninformed assumption after another.

[castaway01]

Originally Posted by OTM Al

You are assuming they watch the same feed as you. I doubt they do. I doubt there is sound on the feed they see. If you don't want sound on the feed, why would you listed to what the announcer says? You don't even understand the procedures in place at the track you are talking about, but you are commenting and complaining about them. One uninformed assumption after another.

Good points as usual. I'm always conflicted if SRU is just trolling or if he genuinely is clueless. Like he thinks the guys in the NFL replay review center are watching all the games with the sound turned up. Or, for that matter, as if track announcers usually make a big deal out of a possible foul in mid-race. It's like he's from some other universe, I don't get it and never have.

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by castaway01

Good points as usual. I'm always conflicted if SRU is just trolling or if he genuinely is clueless. Like he thinks the guys in the NFL replay review center are watching all the games with the sound turned up. Or, for that matter, as if track announcers usually make a big deal out of a possible foul in mid-race. It's like he's from some other universe, I don't get it and never have.

Genuinely clueless has always been my working basis. No thought about the consequences, no thought about any other effects the actions he wants would cause. Just knee-jerk complaints that are neither thought out nor logically formed. He has been quite consistent in that. No malice though that I can see, so not a troll. Guess I'm getting tired of seeing his complaint thread every time I log on. It get old. If I ever quit the game it won't be from takeout or meds or any of the other crap constantly discussed, it will be from the baseless, constant whining. Most of the real problems get missed completely because people are too wrapped up in whining about things that aren't problems IMO.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by castaway01

Good points as usual. I'm always conflicted if SRU is just trolling or if he genuinely is clueless. Like he thinks the guys in the NFL replay review center are watching all the games with the sound turned up. Or, for that matter, as if track announcers usually make a big deal out of a possible foul in mid-race. It's like he's from some other universe, I don't get it and never have.

To know that i have fans here who run thru their house at breakneck speed at sunrise to see what i said the night before warms the cochleae cordis of my heart, it really does, i appreciate you being one of my biggest fans.

Happy Holidays Castaway, keep being you, don't change for anyone! *emoticon of Santa Claus waving to Castaway01*