Bizarre ride at PID. Race 7 - July 11.

[cj]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

So, your position is that he was trying to get that horse to move out, but the horse wouldn't?

For what it is worth the chart caller seems to agree as well, noting the horse was lugging in.

[whodoyoulike]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

So, your position is that he was trying to get that horse to move out, but the horse wouldn't?

First off thanks for posting the race link, I don't like it when people discuss a race and most people can't follow along.

If this question is directed towards me, that's not the way I saw it.

The 2nd horse wasn't gaining on the leader after the passing the top of the stretch although they were trying.

Close to the finish line the lead jockey hit his horse several times then I noticed the horse's tail went up which meant to me he was done.

At that point, the 2nd horse's jockey did actually moved his horse out to pass on the right but you can see that the horse was also tired and couldn't get past.

It looked to me he was gaining at the finish but the leader was actually backing up as the 2nd horse was but the 2nd horse was just backing up at slower rate.

Do you mean moving out at some other point?

[AltonKelsey]

That was some pitiful horsemanship at best.

Generally , if a horse is lugging in so badly that you can't get it off the rail , it will not suddenly stop doing that.

Once he shifted out, the horse is NOT lugging in at all.

Best defense here is , it's so bad that he'd have to be a jackass to have done it deliberately.

[Ruffian1]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

So, your position is that he was trying to get that horse to move out, but the horse wouldn't?

Yes.

[Ruffian1]

Originally Posted by AltonKelsey

That was some pitiful horsemanship at best.

Generally , if a horse is lugging in so badly that you can't get it off the rail , it will not suddenly stop doing that.

Once he shifted out, the horse is NOT lugging in at all.

Best defense here is , it's so bad that he'd have to be a jackass to have done it deliberately.

This is true unless you can make the horse lose focus of clamping down on one side of the bit. It looks to me that the rider was able to do that by doing what I described .
I have seen it work plenty of times before but also not work. It is a desperation move by the rider who if not careful will get fined or days for misuse of the whip.

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by whodoyoulike

First off thanks for posting the race link, I don't like it when people discuss a race and most people can't follow along.

If this question is directed towards me, that's not the way I saw it.

The 2nd horse wasn't gaining on the leader after the passing the top of the stretch although they were trying.

Close to the finish line the lead jockey hit his horse several times then I noticed the horse's tail went up which meant to me he was done.

At that point, the 2nd horse's jockey did actually moved his horse out to pass on the right but you can see that the horse was also tired and couldn't get past.

It looked to me he was gaining at the finish but the leader was actually backing up as the 2nd horse was but the 2nd horse was just backing up at slower rate.

Do you mean moving out at some other point?

This is a terrible opinion.

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by AltonKelsey

That was some pitiful horsemanship at best.

Generally , if a horse is lugging in so badly that you can't get it off the rail , it will not suddenly stop doing that.

Once he shifted out, the horse is NOT lugging in at all.

Best defense here is , it's so bad that he'd have to be a jackass to have done it deliberately.

Yeah that's what it looked like to me. A stronger, more competent rider should have been able to get the horse shifted out.

The horse did not lug in when he finally got it clear and went by the leader 20 yards past the finish line.

[sour grapes]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

Yeah that's what it looked like to me. A stronger, more competent rider should have been able to get the horse shifted out.

The horse did not lug in when he finally got it clear and went by the leader 20 yards past the finish line.

thank goodness we have you here to state the obvious,now that dahoss has expressed his opinion the thread should be closed as their is no other higher authority.

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by sour grapes

thank goodness we have you here to state the obvious,now that dahoss has expressed his opinion the thread should be closed as their is no other higher authority.

There would be the spelling you want to use there. Not their.

[JustRalph]

If he couldn't move that horse off the rail, shame on him.

I think he played his part perfectly in a well rehearsed script.

[jimmyb]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

If he couldn't move that horse off the rail, shame on him.

I think he played his part perfectly in a well rehearsed script.

It's a genetic mutation in the jockey, Ralph. His dad was once suspended 5 years for using an electrical device and ten years for race fixing.

https://www.pressboxonline.com/story...-long-time-ago

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by jimmyb

It's a genetic mutation in the jockey, Ralph. His dad was once suspended 5 years for using an electrical device and ten years for race fixing.

https://www.pressboxonline.com/story...-long-time-ago

Thanks very much👍 I was unaware. Chip, meet block.....

[hopbet]

FYI
HOPEHARD is entered at PRESQUE ISLE DOWNS on Monday ( July 17) . The race number is the (fifth)> Interesting they are going TWO turns( 1 mile and sixteenth)