Crazy Delaware dd payout

[cj]

Originally Posted by whodoyoulike

I was wondering about this myself.

Btw, I don't think any nefarious moves were being done by this trainer and/or the connections. It appears to me the owner in the 2nd race put some money on his horse in the DD expecting a larger payout.

We should be discussing whether this was or how this could've been a good betting situation given an 11/1 horse at Del maybe whoever did this thought they were at an "A" track betting pool.

LOL, there was a lot more to it than the owner in the second race making a big bet. The winner of the 2nd and 3rd had a lot of things in common when it came to the connections.

[whodoyoulike]

Originally Posted by cj

LOL, there was a lot more to it than the owner in the second race making a big bet. The winner of the 2nd and 3rd had a lot of things in common when it came to the connections.

Would you care to provide some additional info?

I'm unfamiliar with and obviously don't follow Del racing maybe this happens a lot over there. I was just looking at the DD for the 2nd and 3rd races. If the connections are related then the large DD bet even makes more sense to me. Large in the sense for Del. Since, I couldn't see how they made money on the DD if the individual(s) had to spread their bets given an $8600 DD pool. Doesn't Del provide DD payouts before the races.

When you say the 2nd and 3rd winners had a lot in common, I don't know what that means. I've seen owners and/or trainers and jockeys win DD's a number of times. Doesn't make it suspicious to me as you and others have hinted.

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by whodoyoulike

I was wondering about this myself.

Btw, I don't think any nefarious moves were being done by this trainer and/or the connections. It appears to me the owner in the 2nd race put some money on his horse in the DD expecting a larger payout.

We should be discussing whether this was or how this could've been a good betting situation given an 11/1 horse at Del maybe whoever did this thought they were at an "A" track betting pool.

LMAO. I didn't think you could top your post last but you did! You don't think there were any nefarious moves? This group strategically planned to make a score at multiple tracks and succeeded and you don't see any nefarious moves?

Read more and post less please.

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by whodoyoulike

Would you care to provide some additional info?

I'm unfamiliar with and obviously don't follow Del racing maybe this happens a lot over there. I was just looking at the DD for the 2nd and 3rd races. If the connections are related then the large DD bet even makes more sense to me. Large in the sense for Del. Since, I couldn't see how they made money on the DD if the individual(s) had to spread their bets given an $8600 DD pool. Doesn't Del provide DD payouts before the races.

When you say the 2nd and 3rd winners had a lot in common, I don't know what that means. I've seen owners and/or trainers and jockeys win DD's a number of times. Doesn't make it suspicious to me as you and others have hinted.

Do you bet?

[whodoyoulike]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

Do you bet?

No, not the way you do.

I guess it's my turn. I saw your other recent posts towards me. Go for it. I already mentioned I'm unfamiliar with these connections.

Your paranoia has been quite evident for awhile, IMO.

[Track Phantom]

Honest question: What did these guys do that was illegal? I know it was dishonest but was there anything done that is against the rules? Or does it depend on how these horses won (i.e. drugs).

All in all, when you combine this kind of incident with the Rojas drugging case, awful racing, consistent low prices winning or impossible to find longshots, 80% claiming races, all races dominated by 30 trainers nationwide, supertrainers moving up horses almost every time, small fields and the myriad of other unappealing things, this game is surprisingly sliding into a state that I didn't think would come this soon. I really cannot believe what I'm seeing and I don't think there is anyone that can do anything about it.

For those that want to see Baffert sweep the Breeders' Cup, you're happy. For the rest of us, this isn't a watchable or bettable game any longer.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by Track Phantom

Honest question: What did these guys do that was illegal? I know it was dishonest but was there anything done that is against the rules? Or does it depend on how these horses won (i.e. drugs).

All in all, when you combine this kind of incident with the Rojas drugging case, awful racing, consistent low prices winning or impossible to find longshots, 80% claiming races, all races dominated by 30 trainers nationwide, supertrainers moving up horses almost every time, small fields and the myriad of other unappealing things, this game is surprisingly sliding into a state that I didn't think would come this soon. I really cannot believe what I'm seeing and I don't think there is anyone that can do anything about it.

For those that want to see Baffert sweep the Breeders' Cup, you're happy. For the rest of us, this isn't a watchable or bettable game any longer.

Reached that point 3 yrs or more back. Have only played a few times while on business trips or weekend trips to take my wife to the casino. I have a free trip to New York City coming up for 3 days for business. I'm totally free to roam. I'm trying to get out of it .....5-7 years ago I would have been planning 3 days of visits to tracks. Not anymore

[reckless]

Did anyone notice on our infamous day at Delaware when the first timer starter, Balistico, won the third race that the last place finisher, Armonico, was trained by Abel Castellano and owned by Northwest Stud Stable and was sent off at 5-2?

Hmmmm.... horse by a betting stable gets touted, gets bet by 'suckers' (general public), doesn't run a jump and connections of the race's winner has very possible ties .... hmmmm, again.

I am putting Armonico on my stable list and will bet him next time out.

[cj]

Originally Posted by reckless

Did anyone notice on our infamous day at Delaware when the first timer starter, Balistico, won the third race that the last place finisher, Armonico, was trained by Abel Castellano and owned by Northwest Stud Stable and was sent off at 5-2?

Hmmmm.... horse by a betting stable gets touted, gets bet by 'suckers' (general public), doesn't run a jump and connections of the race's winner has very possible ties .... hmmmm, again.

I am putting Armonico on my stable list and will bet him next time out.

Yes, there was a lot more to this story than most people realize.

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by whodoyoulike

No, not the way you do.

I guess it's my turn. I saw your other recent posts towards me. Go for it. I already mentioned I'm unfamiliar with these connections.

Your paranoia has been quite evident for awhile, IMO.

Paranoia about what? Your cluelessness has been quite evident for awhile, IMO.

You're in seemingly every thread with just post after post of dumb stuff. I'll take whatever slap on the wrist I'm going to get for this because it needs to be said.

Of course it wasn't Castellano's first day of training. It was his first day having a horse run in his name as a trainer.

I'm not sure if you're that obtuse or what but how is that every single person to post can see what happened here except you? You think it was a coincidence that double paid that much less than it should have? You think it was a coincidence the horses that won for these connections all ran much better than they ever had before?

This was putover after putover on the same day. They cashed here and I'm sure made a killing offshore.

They even managed to do it on a day they thought people wouldn't be paying attention after a holiday. Kudos to them for pulling it off, but let's cal it what it was.

[whodoyoulike]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

Paranoia about what? Your cluelessness has been quite evident for awhile, IMO.

You're in seemingly every thread with just post after post of dumb stuff. I'll take whatever slap on the wrist I'm going to get for this because it needs to be said.

Of course it wasn't Castellano's first day of training. It was his first day having a horse run in his name as a trainer.

I'm not sure if you're that obtuse or what but how is that every single person to post can see what happened here except you? You think it was a coincidence that double paid that much less than it should have? You think it was a coincidence the horses that won for these connections all ran much better than they ever had before?

This was putover after putover on the same day. They cashed here and I'm sure made a killing offshore.

They even managed to do it on a day they thought people wouldn't be paying attention after a holiday. Kudos to them for pulling it off, but let's cal it what it was.

Obviously, you haven't realized that every time you lose you claim (post) that the jockey stiffed or something shady (nefarious) was going on. Just maybe, you were clueless you were doing this.


I usually comment or post regarding something which I think is interesting which isn't every thread. Note my post count versus yours.

Castaway01 thought it was. Why don't you re-read his post before commenting?

I stated it was probably the owner who made a large DD bet at least for Del standards.

How about if you provide your insight on why the DD paid so little given the odds of the two winning horses?

I never stated it was coincidence and was giving the trainer credit for a successful day.

Again, why not provide your insight for the connections success on this date?

Again, sounds like paranoia. Since, everybody is cheating. Right?

If you think there is this widespread corruption then why do you bet?

Unless you think you're so much smarter than these cheaters that you're able to benefit from it.

Btw, I don't ever remember betting on a Penn race and probably won't in the near or distant future.

Oh, when you provide your insights in and try not to sound paranoid.

You always seem to make things personal between you and another individual so, like I said it just must be my turn.

[Dahoss9698]

You really are that obtuse.

Do you really think Castaway thought it was his first day training? Like he just walked to the track, owners gave him horses, he entered them and voila. Must everything be spelled out?

Of course they bet. That's why it paid so little. That's how it works. The more you bet, the less something pays. I know you feel like you're uncovering something, but to everyone else it was common knowledge.

Theres four pages of posts about what happened here. I'm sorry you're still confused about it, but you must think we're all paranoid. Because again, everyone else was able to see what happened here except you. There's a connection between all of the winners. Don't you see?

I don't think everyone's cheating and have never said anything close to that. That's something non bettors say to bettors when we (rightly) object to something we see not on the up and up. Unusual betting and big move ups all on the same day stinks and I didn't make a bet that entire day. Again, if you were a bettor, maybe you'd understand why we have an issue with this.

I realize the internet has given everyone an opinion but sometimes it's best to observe and learn.

[castaway01]

Originally Posted by whodoyoulike

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Castaway01 thought it was. Why don't you re-read his post before commenting?

That was what I thought was a sarcastic reference to the media coverage of Castellano's day by DRF (first sentence of the article: "Former rider Abel Castellano Jr.’s three-win debut as a trainer at Delaware Park on Thursday seemingly came from out of the blue, but in reality, a lot of planning went into the victories.") Obviously he didn't literally start training that day---though he did run more than half his stable that day, per the article---and obviously the key and why we're talking about this was how they jumped up while being heavily bet. Anyone with common sense would know that.

[whodoyoulike]

Originally Posted by NorCalGreg

Don't forget that cover story TIME Magazine did, on American Pharoah - immediately following much discussion right here.

I missed that one but I take it you read it.

Did the article mention specifics similar to what was discussed on here?

Maybe you can find it or, are you just making it up as you usually do?


Whenever I've mentioned these articles from other sources I've always included a link and even highlighted the passages.

[whodoyoulike]

Originally Posted by castaway01

... Anyone with common sense would know that.

I really did know what you meant when you posted it.