Beaten Lengths Data

[JeremyJet]

I'm looking for the average beaten lengths, for one year, sorted by field size, distance, surface and class. Anyone know where I could buy data such as this data? Thanks.

[thaskalos]

It's hard to decipher what you mean here.

[JeremyJet]

Like for example: if you took all allowance races at 6f with a 6 horse field. What would be the average beaten lengths for 2nd through 6th place? What about a 7 horse field? 8? And so on.

[dlivery]

Hey There

Beaten lengths has been a topic we should talk more as field size of 8 or more contestants changes a lot of the way the race will run.

[JeremyJet]

Yeah, what I'm kind of after is a "template" for what I'm doing.

[ccmd00d]

Is this sort of what you are after?

https://imgur.com/a/W9SH4FQ

For race id 1488:
https://imgur.com/a/M1P3QrZ

[JeremyJet]

Hi there. Thanks for taking the time, man.

I'm looking for average beaten lengths behind the winner for each placing.

Like for a 6f dirt race with 6 horses: how far back was the 2nd place horse on average. Do that for 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th place. Looking for that kind of data for all distances and field sizes.

Would gladly pay someone for the info.

[cj]

I think if you break it down by field size you'll find very similar results. I don't think and 8th place finisher in eight horse fields is going to be much different that than the 8th place finisher in 10 or 12 horse fields. I'm saying this based on experience, not just guessing.

If you break it down by class you are going to have pretty smallish simple sizes. For example, how far would you need to go back in time to find 50 stakes races at 6.5 furlongs with 9 horse fields?

My personal recommendation, and again this is from a lot of experience with this sort of thing, is that breaking it down by surface, distance, and track condition will probably be as good and you'll have enough data to work with to form an opinion.

[AltonKelsey]

A more interesting question is what does one do with a datapoint like this.

[classhandicapper]

I've looked at data like this. There's not a LOT to be gained from breaking it down other than by distance, surface, and track condition.

One exception I remember was horses that trailed the field.

For example, finishing 6th in a 7-12 horse field will be different than finishing 6th in a 6 horse field. I'm not sure if it's because horses at the very back of the field tend to get eased or it's just more likely you are very bad if you finish 6th of 6 vs. 6th of 12. But if I recall most of the rest of it looks the same unless you switch distance, surface or track condition.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by AltonKelsey

A more interesting question is what does one do with a datapoint like this.

If you are trying to build some kind of class or form rating, knowing the average margins might help you tweak your numbers better.