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Old 05-25-2018, 12:53 PM   #31
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The one that broke the camels back wasn't a riding tactic. Mike Smith was whipping right handed doing everything he could to straighten his mount out yet he got days. At the CHRB meeting Nick Alexander said he got a text from Mike saying he though he should have been DQ'd
Riding incident? Broke the camels back? The only reason this is a issue now with the CHRB is that Alexander and Rivto voiced "their" opinion. If those two do not do this, the CHRB sweeps this under the rug and it becomes past news. Just like their "conversation" about whales is being put off, and soon will be ignored. This is not about horse racing and bettering the sport, it is about who said something and how "important" or "elite" that person is.
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Old 05-25-2018, 01:02 PM   #32
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New York is mostly consistent. If you drift in and put a horse tight on the rail, pretty much automatic DQ. If you drift out, no matter how far, you're safe 95% of the time.
Really?

How about when Enticed got put into the rail by Vino Rosso?
Had to check.

No DQ!

Which is fine by me. I want winners that are best - the horse that finishes first.
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Old 05-25-2018, 01:25 PM   #33
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Riding incident? Broke the camels back? The only reason this is a issue now with the CHRB is that Alexander and Rivto voiced "their" opinion. If those two do not do this, the CHRB sweeps this under the rug and it becomes past news. Just like their "conversation" about whales is being put off, and soon will be ignored. This is not about horse racing and bettering the sport, it is about who said something and how "important" or "elite" that person is.
Pretty sure I've made the same point you're making in this post. Hence the "Wow" in thread title.
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Old 05-25-2018, 06:42 PM   #34
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Your desired scenario, of course, would lead to a lot of speculation about a jockey who fouls another horse to possibly cash a bet...knowing the bet won't be taken down. Sure the jock might get fined and/or suspended, but it would be very easy for someone or some group to grab a hold on a jockey and basically force him to fix a race in that manner...foul the favorite out of the race...if you know the favorite isn't going to win, you can easily make a lot of money no matter who wins.
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1. Much, much stiffer fines and suspensions to jockeys for reckless/careless/intentional fouls would accomplish more than a DQ ever will.

2. What your suggesting above is criminal and could result in going to prison. Isn't that enough of a deterrent already?
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Old 05-25-2018, 08:03 PM   #35
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http://www.chrb.ca.gov/press_release...ss_release.pdf


During the Public Comment portion of the meeting, several speakers criticized a decision by the stewards involving a May 6 race at Santa Anita Park and urged the Board to take steps to remedy what they feel is a continuing problem.

Chairman Winner and Vice Chair Auerbach said they met with staff the previous day in an ongoing review, and they outlined measures under consideration, including the rotation of stewards and further changes to CHRB Rule 1699 to reduce the amount of subjectivity in decisions by the stewards.
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Old 05-25-2018, 10:56 PM   #36
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Mike Smith was whipping right handed doing everything he could to straighten his mount out yet he got days.
I think Smith was whipping more right-handed to intimidate the D'Amato filly and not to correct his mount. If he wanted to correct his mount, he would have reined the horse back to the inside. He only did this after he successfully impeded the other horse.

Note, too, that Smith chose to whip right-handed with near full extension of his right arm, to where the head of Helen Hillary is convenient in the trajectory of his windmilling. In fact, I'm not even sure he was striking his mount as he's flailing away with too rapid a motion; it's seems more like he's waving it in front of the other horse.

And if he was indeed striking his mount that ferociously, perhaps under the new whip rules he should have been further penalized for failing to give his mount a proper chance to respond.

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2. What your suggesting above is criminal and could result in going to prison. Isn't that enough of a deterrent already?
Has this ever stopped someone who wanted to try and fix a race before? There have been fixed races in the past, correct?
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