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08-10-2014, 09:23 PM
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#181
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Originally Posted by bks
Perhaps, but Adelson owns casinos. He can't play any morality card. For him, sports betting in a locale where he doesn't own casinos is just bad business.
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Would you care to elaborate on that..Thanks
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08-10-2014, 09:26 PM
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#182
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Originally Posted by biggestal99
LOL, the veto everything has to do with politics.
Christie does NOTHING without looking
at the political ramifications.
He might be right or wrong with his explanation but his overriding interest isn't what's best for Jersey, but what's best for Christie.
Allan
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Name one politician thatg does NOT do this and I will show you the definition of a "statesman"
Hint:....to my knowledge, none exist.
and ya know what? WE are at fault....
Many of us bitch and moan about the system. We create it.
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08-10-2014, 09:43 PM
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#183
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Originally Posted by SandyW
Your comment has no bearing on the issue, New Jersey had their chance to have sports betting years ago and blew it.
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If they had their chance, why is the chance not still available?
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08-10-2014, 09:53 PM
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#184
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Originally Posted by Stillriledup
If they had their chance, why is the chance not still available?
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Constantly thwarting efforts to expand sports betting borders on illegal.
The conspiracies put together by the likes of Adelson, and the sports
organizations, need to be revealed for what they are. A total sham.
It's going to take a scandal for something to break.
Some day this will happen.
Hmmm....how about let's start with bribes and illegal contributions?
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08-10-2014, 11:43 PM
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#185
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broken-down horseplayer
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Originally Posted by Stillriledup
If they had their chance, why is the chance not still available?
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There was a time limit of some sort (7 yrs?), on the states that were given a chance to implement sports betting after the 1992 law was passed (New Jersey, Oregon, Delaware).
NJ decided not to move forward with further legalization.
Regardless of the outcome in NJ, the push for legal sports wagering will continue. Any state that had casinos and/or horse racing, online or otherwise, can't play the morality card. It's just a question of when the complex spider web of fingers in the gambling pie gets out-of-balance to where one faction represented by government decides to legalize it. My money is riding on those wildcats in North Dakota leading the charge.
As for the impact on horse racing, it would be a big impact. Maybe only one out of every 20 sports fans/bettors plays the horses, but I'd guess at least 2/3 of horseplayers like to bet sports. Man, I sure miss Pinnacle.
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08-11-2014, 12:09 AM
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#186
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In case anyone is interested or can share this....I did some research to get as many twitter handles as I could for all the Republican NJ Legislatures to urge them to vote to override the Governor's veto. There are 16 Republicans in the Senate and 32 in the Assembly. All they need is THREE Republican senators and SIX Republican Assemblymen to reach the 2/3 majority vote to override the veto. There are plenty of Republican Legislatures that represent Counties that have tracks, casinos, or both. I figured if we can send tweets/emails/facebook postings urging them to vote with the citizens of NJ to override the veto and institute sports betting, maybe they will have to take notice. Can't hurt.
Here are the twitter handles for the Republican Senators:
@tomkean
@8thdistrictleg
@dianeallennj
@KipBateman
@jenbecknj
@tonybucco
@gerrycardinale
@9thDistrictNJ
@mikedohertynj
@jimholzapfel
@joekyrillos
@kevinjotoole
@stevenoroho
@joepennacchio
@bobsingernj
@SamThompsonNJ
And here are the twitter handles I was able to find for the Republican Assemblymen:
@JonBramnick
@AsmDaveRible
@MaryPatAngelini
@declanoscanlon
@AnthonyMBucco
@NancyFMunoz
@NJAssemblywoman
@SamFiocchiNJ
@ChrisBrownNJ
@8thdistrictleg
@DonnaMSimon
@Alison_McHose
@Parker_Space
@AswDeCroce
@seantkean
@ASWHollySchepis
@JackCiattarelli
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08-11-2014, 08:31 AM
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#187
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Originally Posted by thespaah
Would you care to elaborate on that..Thanks
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I should clarify. From an earlier post in this thread:
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One under-explored aspect of all of this (for me) is the iGaming component. Would sports betting be legal online in New Jersey under Lesniak's bill (in the way poker is, within the geographical confines of NJ)? I assume so. If so, then that would seem to mean people like Sheldon Adelson will be enemies of this - not a good sign for those of us who want Christie to sign on.
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Adelson hates Lesniak from Lesniak's willingness to push for online gambling in NJ a few years back.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...mpanies.2.html
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Adelson, besides being a sh*t-eating reptile, is a casino magnate dedicated to illegalizing online wagering in all forms because he - a casino magnate, mind you - has a "moral objection" to it. Right. He's pouring millions into a lobbying effort to defeat all forms of online gambling.
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The official tally is $460K to defeat online gaming as of this article (but unofficially it's way more). It's well known he is trying to quash it. He fears Google and Facebook will take over gambling once it becomes legal online. His "moral objections" are transparent bullsh*t. Christie is well aware of Adelson's views.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanva...line-gambling/
https://www.google.com/search?q=shel...x-a&channel=sb
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Adelson is one of the biggest GOP donors. Christie has already genuflected before him after this . If Christie still feels he needs Adelson's approval/money, and Adelson is as dead-set against online gaming as he appears, it's really hard to see Christie going the extra mile for NJ sports betting if that would include online SB.
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Which appears to be exactly what happened.
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08-11-2014, 10:29 AM
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#188
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Originally Posted by mgoldie1
BKS, you are so right about Adelson. It is ridiculous the money he pours out on campaigns. Christie took politics one step further. In his veto Christie intriguingly adds that he “remains open to exploring legally sound” new approaches to bringing sports betting to the state. He said the Third Circuit opinion “may not have foreclosed all legal avenues for permitting sports wagering within the state.” This may be a secret wink to the Republicans in the NJ legislature not to vote to override because we will look into a better way (Which of course is ridiculous, as NJ has done everything they could thru the legal process). Should be interesting.
I've already sent a tweet to Senator Jennifer Beck, who represents the Monmouth Park district and told her to stand up for her district and vote to override the veto. Also told her to tell her fellow Republican constituents to do the same. I'm gonna sent a tweet out to all Republican Senators and Assemblymen and tell them to do the same. Probably won't matter, as they are more afraid of Christie's wrath than the citizens they represent.
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Good luck with Kyrillos he'll do whatever Christie tells him. When the Monmouth crisis started I wrote him a detailed letter why as a Monmouth county representative he should be on the tracks side. His reply was to back Christie 1000% (yes 1000!!!) I'm pretty sure its still in one of my folders. This was before he ran for governor his position isn't changing now.
I despise Kryllios so much I switched to an independent after being a registered republican for over twenty years.
I applaud your effort on behalf of the tracks but at this point (my opinion) tweets only go so far, now its time for lengthy letter writing mode. You need to show "passion" about the subject not 140 characters.
On the positive side Jennifer Beck is as good at it gets. She fights for the horse people and the track she isn't a Christie lemming. I would hope they can do a redistrict and somehow she becomes my senator. Its never going to happen but at least I can dream about having adequate representation.
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08-11-2014, 10:57 AM
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#189
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If they vote to override the veto. I expect a Federal injunction within 24 hours.
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08-11-2014, 06:37 PM
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#190
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Sandy, you are probably right. But it would be very interesting to see this back in court to see how the leagues respond to something that NJ is doing (repealing prohibition) that they, the Dept of Justice, and 3rd District Court of Appeals stated was ok.
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08-12-2014, 04:26 PM
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#191
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Chris Christie kicks the casinos when they're down
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Here it is, in a nutshell: Millions of people are
pinning their hopes on a man who has every
chance of returning to the WH, assuming that
he can manage to stay out of prison. Think about it.
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08-20-2014, 04:16 PM
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#192
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I have been spreading the word thru daily tweets and created a facebook page:
https://facebook.com/overrideveto
Also, I sent out a mass email to all the NJ Republican congressmen and got a response back today from Senator Thompson, from the 12th district, and he clearly stated that he would vote YES.
It's a good start. I also had Rich Muny, who is the Director of the Poker Players Alliance (and who has over 35,000 followers on twitter) to retweet my post regarding the sports betting and my facebook page. Hopefully enough people put some pressure on these legislators to get them to override the governor's veto.
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08-20-2014, 07:30 PM
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#193
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mgoldie1
I have been spreading the word thru daily tweets and created a facebook page:
https://facebook.com/overrideveto
Also, I sent out a mass email to all the NJ Republican congressmen and got a response back today from Senator Thompson, from the 12th district, and he clearly stated that he would vote YES.
It's a good start. I also had Rich Muny, who is the Director of the Poker Players Alliance (and who has over 35,000 followers on twitter) to retweet my post regarding the sports betting and my facebook page. Hopefully enough people put some pressure on these legislators to get them to override the governor's veto.
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Some people in Jersey are really in a hurry to donate their money, do you think sports betting is the short trip to the gravy train ???
Don't Bet On It ?? Nothing can save Atlantic City, it's over for them.
Last edited by SandyW; 08-20-2014 at 07:41 PM.
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08-21-2014, 08:33 AM
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#194
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Location: NJ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mgoldie1
I have been spreading the word thru daily tweets and created a facebook page:
https://facebook.com/overrideveto
Also, I sent out a mass email to all the NJ Republican congressmen and got a response back today from Senator Thompson, from the 12th district, and he clearly stated that he would vote YES.
It's a good start. I also had Rich Muny, who is the Director of the Poker Players Alliance (and who has over 35,000 followers on twitter) to retweet my post regarding the sports betting and my facebook page. Hopefully enough people put some pressure on these legislators to get them to override the governor's veto.
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There is a possible issue if the veto is over turned and that is the casino revenue sharing for a Northern NJ casino with the racetracks. The Governor will be very upset if this is overturned in the senate and the house and may make it an impossibility for the racetracks to share in that revenue! Catch 22....
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08-22-2014, 08:35 AM
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#195
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mgoldie1
I have been spreading the word thru daily tweets and created a facebook page:
https://facebook.com/overrideveto
Also, I sent out a mass email to all the NJ Republican congressmen and got a response back today from Senator Thompson, from the 12th district, and he clearly stated that he would vote YES.
It's a good start. I also had Rich Muny, who is the Director of the Poker Players Alliance (and who has over 35,000 followers on twitter) to retweet my post regarding the sports betting and my facebook page. Hopefully enough people put some pressure on these legislators to get them to override the governor's veto.
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Senator Thompson is outstanding I'm sure he wrote more than a 2 sentence reply. He helped me take on the electric company and cost them over a quarter million dollars doing upgrades in my neighborhood around twenty years ago. He is the best ally you can have and was the reason I became a republican from independent.
If you PM with an outline of what you want written I will gladly do so. I am inquisitive of the reply Kryllios gave you if any.
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