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Old 09-04-2022, 02:42 PM   #256
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As a figure maker myself, I love doing numbers for a big performance like this.
My numbers are a close variation of the Quirin style pace-n-speed method. The par for older male Grade 1 runners is around 112-114.
By my Humble Numbers I gave Flightline a 124.
So you think he ran par for a G1 older male race? So average?
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Old 09-04-2022, 02:58 PM   #257
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Timeform Europe 143
Beyer 126

Waiting for TimeformUS (pace adjusted) and TG (ground adjusted).

Then comes the fun part, debating them.
TFUS 152. Wow
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Old 09-04-2022, 03:09 PM   #258
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A couple of other things about yesterday:

1. Trevor's call was excellent. It would be very nice if he would hang it up and let this be his valedictory.

2. There were only about 7,000 on track yesterday. Del Mar's tiny main parking lot did not even fill up despite a section of it being cordoned off for limos and ubers. The infield was closed. The clubhouse (where I sat) was 1/3 filled.

California racing is in trouble.
Wow. And everybody was thinking it was just BAD. Everybody can come up with their own word to describe it.
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Old 09-04-2022, 03:38 PM   #259
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Old 09-04-2022, 04:23 PM   #260
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So you think he ran par for a G1 older male race? So average?
I'm not sure what you're asking
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Old 09-04-2022, 05:18 PM   #261
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He ended up a distant last. Being in a speed duel and then pooping out isn't "firing".

Seriously?
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Old 09-04-2022, 05:43 PM   #262
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Yes, think about the context. We were talking abour who Secretariat beat. The only decent horse in there was Sham and he did not deliver his top performance
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Old 09-04-2022, 06:00 PM   #263
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A couple of other things about yesterday:

1. Trevor's call was excellent. It would be very nice if he would hang it up and let this be his valedictory.

2. There were only about 7,000 on track yesterday. Del Mar's tiny main parking lot did not even fill up despite a section of it being cordoned off for limos and ubers. The infield was closed. The clubhouse (where I sat) was 1/3 filled.

California racing is in trouble.
I was there a couple days last week, including last Saturday in what I would call an intentionally down card (saving for this weekend), and the last thing I thought coming out of the trip and the meet in general was that California racing is dead.

In fact I think it proves that if you have a quality product of full fields you will handle good numbers and people will be interested. I have no idea how the numbers are for the meet but the races have been great. Today is another solid betting card.
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Old 09-04-2022, 06:33 PM   #264
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Official TimeformUS Chart of the Pacific Classic. Running lines are in PP format, lengths behind the leader.

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Old 09-04-2022, 06:34 PM   #265
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I'm not sure what you're asking
I misread, I thought you were saying par was 124, but it was 112-114. My bad.

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Old 09-04-2022, 06:40 PM   #266
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Yes, think about the context. We were talking abour who Secretariat beat. The only decent horse in there was Sham and he did not deliver his top performance
In the "context" of what actually happened in that race...saying Sham didn't fire is kinda odd.
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In the "context" of what actually happened in that race...saying Sham didn't fire is kinda odd.
That's not the context that matters. The context is a conversation of "who did he beat". When a good horse finishes last, we generally don't treat that the same way as if he finishes second when we evaluate "who did he beat?".
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Old 09-04-2022, 07:01 PM   #268
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That's not the context that matters. The context is a conversation of "who did he beat". When a good horse finishes last, we generally don't treat that the same way as if he finishes second when we evaluate "who did he beat?".
I think when said horse is dueled into defeat by the winner, it definitely counts.
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I think it’s reasonable to say that Secretariat’s margin of victory was enhanced by the fact that he dueled the 2nd best horse into defeat and the rest of the field wasn’t very strong (not mention that the race was 12F and margins tend to be larger). I don’t think it’s correct to say Sham didn’t fire.
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Old 09-04-2022, 11:06 PM   #270
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Isn’t it great we can argue about a race run 49 years ago?
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