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05-11-2017, 06:34 PM
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Who gets to define WHO or WHAT "Creator " is...?
Most men I know have 2 creators...their ma and pa...as far as I can tell, no god created me....I am not the offspring of a god(s)...
As far as natural rights go...why don't ALL life have these natural rights...? You mean your Grandiose Oriental Despot plays favorites with his playthings...? Oh my...giving these ones rights but turning his devine backside to his created beetles and bugs....? What a joke...!
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For you probably your ancestors. Why doesn't all life have natural rights? They did not write it down in their declaration to be free from human control. When they put pen to paper and write it down, there will be a change.
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05-11-2017, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
Actually the practitioner of the religion. I don't understand the difficulty of the concept of freedom to worship. It is easy, if you are Hindu, you worship Hindu gods, Buddhists whatever god your sect worships, etc,
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You've said that you have studied the Eastern religions. Can you tell me what "God" you think the Buddhists believe in?
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05-11-2017, 06:42 PM
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Why doesn't evolution fit in with the idea of Christianity? What ever gave you the idea a Christian has to embrace creationism? I understand you hate the Roman Catholic Church (your words), and I have stated the Church's official position on evolution several times before, in the original thread. Evolution is totally compatible with Christianity and is taught in Catholic schools.
The two masters are God or money, not God versus science.
The key point to an atheist is his lack of belief in a Creator and life is an accident.
Our government is a system of elected representatives who are suppose to represent the voter. Why would I or anyone else want to elect a representative who has a conflict with the idea my rights as a citizen are irrevocable and that they can be revoked because there is no Creator (God). That would be plain stupidity.
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Yes...evolution is "totally compatible with Christianity"...as far as the Catholics are concerned. It is very possible that our species "evolved from lower life-forms"...while, at the same time..."Adam and Eve were REAL PEOPLE...who were created in the image and likeness of God". 
I wonder where all the confusion about the "Christian faith" stems from. 
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05-11-2017, 06:44 PM
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You've said that you have studied the Eastern religions. Can you tell me what "God" you think the Buddhists believe in?
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I never studied Buddhism. I know the Buddha's are not gods and they really don't have a creation story I think Brahmā in some sects is the heavenly god.
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05-11-2017, 06:49 PM
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Yes...evolution is "totally compatible with Christianity"...as far as the Catholics are concerned. It is very possible that our species "evolved from lower life-forms"...while, at the same time..."Adam and Eve were REAL PEOPLE...who were created in the image and likeness of God".
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Why not God formed the body first, before he infused the breath of life (soul). Even many Eastern Orthodox accepts evolution as compatible. it is not that big of a problem.
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05-11-2017, 06:52 PM
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Neither define what creator is...it is absurd that courts speak of rights but cannot tell us how these rights came to be...they make a giant leap and just assume that humans have these natural rights, whatever that means...but like I say why don't other animals have these same rights if rights are so natural....?
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05-11-2017, 06:54 PM
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Why not God formed the body first, before he infused the breath of life (soul) . Even many Eastern Orthodox accepts evolution as compatible. it is not that big of a problem.
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Yes...this seems to be the latest Christian "revision". But now we are talking "possibilities"...are we not? And the religions act as if they deal in CERTAINTIES.
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05-11-2017, 07:02 PM
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Yes...this seems to be the latest Christian "revision". But now we are talking "possibilities"...are we not? And the religions act as if they deal in CERTAINTIES.
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Not really the Catholic Monk Gregor Mendel known as the father of genetics due to his work in the 1800's clued in the Church. The Catholic Church knew about and accepted genetics and the laws of heredity back then.
Darwin built upon Mendel's work.
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05-11-2017, 07:34 PM
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Yes...evolution is "totally compatible with Christianity"...as far as the Catholics are concerned.
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Thank you for making that crystal clear.  Theistic evolution is only compatible with biblical Christianity after its advocates greatly diminish the supreme authority of the holy, inspired, infallible scriptures, which thereafter compromises the integrity of biblical theology to the extent that it is virtually unrecognizable.
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05-11-2017, 07:59 PM
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Not really the Catholic Monk Gregor Mendel known as the father of genetics due to his work in the 1800's clued in the Church. The Catholic Church knew about and accepted genetics and the laws of heredity back then.
Darwin built upon Mendel's work.
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How does all this fit with commentary on the concurrent existence (including possible interbreeding) between the Neanderthals and the current version of the naked ape? Were the Neanderthals here when Adam and Eve were dropped in (or however that all came about, if it did)? It has been awhile, but I seem to recall biblical references to others being here (in addition to the lineage supposedly originating with Adam and Eve).
Not a snarky question, not rhetorical, and not intended to be argumentative. I don't have the time for extensive research on the topic, and it is one that has been an item of curiosity (my own and others) over the years. Were other ("human like") species here first?
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05-11-2017, 08:17 PM
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The word in question is not in the definition of the word inalienable.
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In #1495 you used the word "natural" three times. Did you or did you not mean that to be a definition of "inalienable?"
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05-11-2017, 08:28 PM
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For example:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/09/africa...commended_pool
""I think some scientists assumed they knew how human evolution happened, but these new fossil discoveries, plus what we know from genetics, tell us that the southern half of Africa was home to a diversity that we've never seen anywhere else," says John Hawks of the University of Wisconsin-Madison and Wits University, an author on all three papers.
Perhaps the most controversial hypothesis by Berger and his team is that Naledi buried its dead -- a behavior that most scientists believe is limited to modern humans."
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05-11-2017, 08:29 PM
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How does all this fit with commentary on the concurrent existence (including possible interbreeding) between the Neanderthals and the current version of the naked ape? Were the Neanderthals here when Adam and Eve were dropped in (or however that all came about, if it did)? It has been awhile, but I seem to recall biblical references to others being here (in addition to the lineage supposedly originating with Adam and Eve).
Not a snarky question, not rhetorical, and not intended to be argumentative. I don't have the time for extensive research on the topic, and it is one that has been an item of curiosity (my own and others) over the years. Were other ("human like") species here first?
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Indeed the Bible does in fact mention other people being present. When Cain, the first offspring of Adam and Eve, was banished for killing his brother, he was afraid of the other beings. God gave him a mark, (tattoo?) to protect him and then Cain married one the other beings and became a builder of their cities.
So it would seem according to the Bible there was some sort of evolution and inter-breeding. However, the Bible makes it clear Adam's, and his line still is separate and distinct from the other beings lineage, through Adam's son Seth.
That is about all I can say.
BTW I am still waiting for boxcar to enlighten us about who these other beings were.
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05-11-2017, 08:31 PM
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In #1495 you used the word "natural" three times. Did you or did you not mean that to be a definition of "inalienable?"
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My posts are clear and I am done playing merry-go-round with you. You are just like boxcar.
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05-11-2017, 08:42 PM
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Indeed the Bible does in fact mention other people being present. When Cain, the first offspring of Adam and Eve, was banished for killing his brother, he was afraid of the other beings. God gave him a mark, (tattoo?) to protect him and then Cain married one the other beings and became a builder of their cities.
So it would seem according to the Bible there was some sort of evolution and inter-breeding. However, the Bible makes it clear Adam's, and his line still is separate and distinct from the other beings lineage, through Adam's son Seth.
That is about all I can say.
BTW I am still waiting for boxcar to enlighten us about who these other beings were.
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And then there is the problem of what came after Adam and Eve...did their sons and girls have sex with each other or just with mom and dad...? How else could the race move forward...?
I guess god had more ribs after Eve....
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