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04-20-2020, 09:10 PM
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in mass. part of the spread of the corona comes from the Biogen conference. also when the government closed up flights from China, the people that wanted to leave China went to Europe and spread the virus there and when they got done they snuck in to Boston, New York and other east coast cities with the virus and nailed us good in February. in mass. this had nothing to do with casino's.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/u...rspreader.html
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04-21-2020, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by lamboguy
in mass. part of the spread of the corona comes from the Biogen conference. also when the government closed up flights from China, the people that wanted to leave China went to Europe and spread the virus there and when they got done they snuck in to Boston, New York and other east coast cities with the virus and nailed us good in February. in mass. this had nothing to do with casino's.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/u...rspreader.html
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Yes, and one individual flew to Tennessee from that Biogen conference and became one the first positives in that state, if memory serves.
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04-22-2020, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyC
Yesterday NYC had 18 deaths from the corona virus down from a high of 533 only 12 days earlier. Based on the stats from NYC, being under 65 your chances of dying from the virus are a little less than .001. By keeping things shut down it becomes a punishment and certainly not protective of the people. When the stats start showing no deaths and few new infections the protests will be overwhelming. I expect that to happen soon.
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Holy shit...I had no idea the situation was that under control...talk about curve flattening...
WTF?
How can there by ANY pushback against talk about starting the "reopening process" when all three curves (cases, hospitalization and deaths) have been flattened almost to the point of oblivion?
And this is the WORST SPOT in the USA!?!?!?
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The stats are wrong. Yesterday 474 people died in NY State due to COVID. 95% of all deaths in NYS come from NYC, Nassau, Suffolk and Westchester counties. Where I work, 80 of my co-workers have died from COVID, 7 of whom I worked with personally. Many of my coworkers go to work in fear that they will be next.
Many places might be able to return to quasi-normal within the next few months. Expect the NYC area to be one of the last ones.
Last edited by Zman179; 04-22-2020 at 01:32 PM.
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04-22-2020, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Afleet
I think people will be up in arms if there is no Saratoga meet. I'm not from NY or the area but you are starting to see more and more protests across the country.
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The only protests you might see here are local Saratoga County residents knowing that their region will be flooded by downstaters come the summer. They have already let it be known that, currently, downstaters aren’t welcome due to fears that we will cause a rapid increase in infections.
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04-22-2020, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Zman179
The stats are wrong. Yesterday 474 people died in NY State due to COVID. 95% of all deaths in NYS come from NYC, Nassau, Suffolk and Westchester counties. Where I work, 80 of my co-workers have died from COVID, 7 of whom I worked with personally. Many of my coworkers go to work in fear that they will be next.
Many places might be able to return to quasi-normal within the next few months. Expect the NYC area to be one of the last ones.
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So NYC health is putting out false data? On 4/20 there were a total of 12 deaths reported in NYC. The website for the info has been posted previously. If you have other reliable stats please post them.
It's tragic that so many people have died where you work. How many people work where you work? When you say "where you work" do you really mean work for the same employer?
NYC probably has one of the highest percentage of people who have been infected of just about anywhere. That should go a long way toward herd immunity and a safe city. Much sooner than later.
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04-22-2020, 02:17 PM
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We literally have no idea if any of the "herd immunity" hot takes being bandied about are true. There have already been reports of people getting the virus twice.
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04-22-2020, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyC
So NYC health is putting out false data? On 4/20 there were a total of 12 deaths reported in NYC. The website for the info has been posted previously. If you have other reliable stats please post them.
It's tragic that so many people have died where you work. How many people work where you work? When you say "where you work" do you really mean work for the same employer?
NYC probably has one of the highest percentage of people who have been infected of just about anywhere. That should go a long way toward herd immunity and a safe city. Much sooner than later.
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The vast majority of people downstate have been ignoring anything coming from Mayor DeBlasio and have been paying attention to what Governor Cuomo’s office says. One of the sites that is trusted is operated by New York State:
https://covid19tracker.health.ny.gov...253Atoolbar=no
I work for the NY subway. Our agency has about 25,000 workers and close to 7,000 of them have caught the virus. Every day in my Facebook feed I see a RIP post and it seriously depresses me.
Personally I believe that "herd immunity" is unproven. I hope that it really exists, but I’ve read how people in South Korea have become re-infected for a second time so who know if it really does exist? It is hard to tell because even the authorities don’t really know for sure. I am just hoping that I don’t endanger my life simply by going to work.
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04-22-2020, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Zman179
The stats are wrong. Yesterday 474 people died in NY State due to COVID. 95% of all deaths in NYS come from NYC, Nassau, Suffolk and Westchester counties. Where I work, 80 of my co-workers have died from COVID, 7 of whom I worked with personally. Many of my coworkers go to work in fear that they will be next.
Many places might be able to return to quasi-normal within the next few months. Expect the NYC area to be one of the last ones.
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that is horrible news, stay safe; need a cure fast
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04-22-2020, 03:13 PM
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Yeah Zman, it’s upstate too, not as bad but it’s around. Got an Email Monday that a co worker died. They offered grief concealing and the corporate statement in 4 pdf’s. It is depressing.
It’s pretty much gonna run it’s course in NY. I think things will be opening up around Memorial Day weekend or so. I don’t know if Belmont will bother unless they run without fans. You gotta believe concerts, parades and sporting events will be the last things to come back. Once they ramp up testing for anti bodies they can start models of herd immunity. They don’t know people are getting it twice or if it’s dormant for a while in the body. The numbers could be many times the reported cases. But gatherings of thousands will be the final phase. Right now you gotta be worried nothing happens this summer.......I am .
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04-22-2020, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Zman179
The vast majority of people downstate have been ignoring anything coming from Mayor DeBlasio and have been paying attention to what Governor Cuomo’s office says. One of the sites that is trusted is operated by New York State:
https://covid19tracker.health.ny.gov...253Atoolbar=no
I work for the NY subway. Our agency has about 25,000 workers and close to 7,000 of them have caught the virus. Every day in my Facebook feed I see a RIP post and it seriously depresses me.
Personally I believe that "herd immunity" is unproven. I hope that it really exists, but I’ve read how people in South Korea have become re-infected for a second time so who know if it really does exist? It is hard to tell because even the authorities don’t really know for sure. I am just hoping that I don’t endanger my life simply by going to work.
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That is crazy, I work in downtown NYC and my colleagues have been talking about when we will go back to work (we are telecommuting now) and we all agree the subways there is just no way to social distance. May 18th looks like the next possible day we could go back to "normal" but I could see it being longer than that for the city. Sorry to hear about all the losses. my father worked for the TA in East NY and 207th Street.
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04-22-2020, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Zman179
The vast majority of people downstate have been ignoring anything coming from Mayor DeBlasio and have been paying attention to what Governor Cuomo’s office says. One of the sites that is trusted is operated by New York State:
https://covid19tracker.health.ny.gov...253Atoolbar=no
I work for the NY subway. Our agency has about 25,000 workers and close to 7,000 of them have caught the virus. Every day in my Facebook feed I see a RIP post and it seriously depresses me.
Personally I believe that "herd immunity" is unproven. I hope that it really exists, but I’ve read how people in South Korea have become re-infected for a second time so who know if it really does exist? It is hard to tell because even the authorities don’t really know for sure. I am just hoping that I don’t endanger my life simply by going to work.
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The website has no info to support your comment about 95% of the 486 deaths being in NY City.
The stats are also very clear about who is most vulnerable to the effects of the virus. People who are unhealthy with compromised immune systems. Studies done in Italy showed that people who died had on average 3 co-morbidities be it T2D, heart disease, High blood pressure, asthma, etc.
The herd immunity in general has been proven many times. Proven for coronavirus? No, but many doctors are optimistic.
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04-22-2020, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyC
The website has no info to support your comment about 95% of the 486 deaths being in NY City.
The stats are also very clear about who is most vulnerable to the effects of the virus. People who are unhealthy with compromised immune systems. Studies done in Italy showed that people who died had on average 3 co-morbidities be it T2D, heart disease, High blood pressure, asthma, etc.
The herd immunity in general has been proven many times. Proven for coronavirus? No, but many doctors are optimistic.
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I meant to say that the vast majority are in NY City and its immediate suburbs; I stated previously that 95% of ALL state deaths are in NYC and its suburbs. FYI the NYC website is stating that recent data is incomplete due to reporting delays.
Nonetheless, as New Yorkers we are just trying to not get sick and to survive this pandemic. Heck I even have to wear a mask and gloves just to throw out my garbage because two families on my floor are COVID positive. Bottom line is that everyone here is in fear because you don’t know how your body is going to react to the virus unless you actually get it.
Last edited by Zman179; 04-22-2020 at 04:09 PM.
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04-22-2020, 04:20 PM
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My bud has a trotter stabled at Pompano. Trainer told him the only reason the track is not racing is due to the casino not operating. As soon as Trump pulls the strings on puppet DeSantis, the state will reopen and the slots and trots will be on.
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04-22-2020, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyC
Yesterday NYC had 18 deaths from the corona virus down from a high of 533 only 12 days earlier. Based on the stats from NYC, being under 65 your chances of dying from the virus are a little less than .001. By keeping things shut down it becomes a punishment and certainly not protective of the people. When the stats start showing no deaths and few new infections the protests will be overwhelming. I expect that to happen soon.
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page
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Better to read the news,
The number is 569 not 18
https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavi...ce4-story.html
Allan
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04-22-2020, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by burnsy
Yeah Zman, it’s upstate too, not as bad but it’s around. Got an Email Monday that a co worker died. They offered grief concealing and the corporate statement in 4 pdf’s. It is depressing.
It’s pretty much gonna run it’s course in NY. I think things will be opening up around Memorial Day weekend or so. I don’t know if Belmont will bother unless they run without fans. You gotta believe concerts, parades and sporting events will be the last things to come back. Once they ramp up testing for anti bodies they can start models of herd immunity. They don’t know people are getting it twice or if it’s dormant for a while in the body. The numbers could be many times the reported cases. But gatherings of thousands will be the final phase. Right now you gotta be worried nothing happens this summer.......I am .
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I know, it is terrible.
As far as racing, if it does resume this spring at Belmont you can bet there will be no fans there. And as far as Saratoga goes, I could see racing remaining at Belmont for the entire summer if the downstate COVID cases do not come down drastically for two reasons:
1) The amount of people needed to move upstate and back down again would be difficult to pass muster with health officials, especially since racing is not considered an essential business
2) Local upstate health departments want people coming from downstate to self-quarantine for 14 days. Right now it hasn’t been pushed, but I could see a major problem with local authorities if a bunch of horsemen try to go from Aqueduct/Belmont to Saratoga.
I strongly believe that upstate will open before downstate does, but I also envision that downstaters will essentially become unwelcome upstate in the beginning.
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