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07-17-2020, 11:37 AM
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The Science is Conclusive
The Science is Conclusive: Masks and Respirators do NOT Prevent Transmission of Viruses
Comment: The following review of the scientific literature on wearing surgical and other facemasks as a means of preventing the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and thus preventing contraction of 'Covid-19' was published a month ago. And absent some miraculous suspension of decades of hard science on the transmission of viruses, it's settled...
And here's the kicker:
Why there can never be an empirical test of a nationwide mask-wearing policy
As mentioned above, no study exists that shows a benefit from a broad policy to wear masks in public. There is good reason for this. It would be impossible to obtain unambiguous and bias-free results:
Any benefit from mask-wearing would have to be a small effect, since undetected in controlled experiments, which would be swamped by the larger effects, notably the large effect from changing atmospheric humidity.
Mask compliance and mask adjustment habits would be unknown.
Mask-wearing is associated (correlated) with several other health behaviours; see Wada (2012).
The results would not be transferable, because of differing cultural habits.
Compliance is achieved by fear, and individuals can habituate to fear-based propaganda, and can have disparate basic responses.
Monitoring and compliance measurement are near-impossible, and subject to large errors.
Self-reporting (such as in surveys) is notoriously biased, because individuals have the self-interested belief that their efforts are useful.
Progression of the epidemic is not verified with reliable tests on large population samples, and generally relies on non-representative hospital visits or admissions.
Several different pathogens (viruses and strains of viruses) causing respiratory illness generally act together, in the same population and/or in individuals, and are not resolved, while having different epidemiological characteristics.
https://www.sott.net/article/434796-...ion-of-Viruses
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07-17-2020, 07:56 PM
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yes, but they slow it down
similar to a chain link fence keeping out a mosquito
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07-17-2020, 08:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davew
yes, but they slow it down
similar to a chain link fence keeping out a mosquito
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That's the plan. Prolong the "crisis". Keep the panic and hysteria elevated.
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07-17-2020, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by davew
yes, but they slow it down
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That's the way a parachute works. Don't jump out of a plane without one.
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07-18-2020, 03:07 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by boxcar
The Science is Conclusive: Masks and Respirators do NOT Prevent Transmission of Viruses
Comment: The following review of the scientific literature on wearing surgical and other facemasks as a means of preventing the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and thus preventing contraction of 'Covid-19' was published a month ago. And absent some miraculous suspension of decades of hard science on the transmission of viruses, it's settled...
https://www.sott.net/article/434796-...ion-of-Viruses
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Hey bunky youn outdid yourself. Your articled is from Signs of the Times.
Signs of the Times is a monthly magazine originally published by Pacific Press, a Seventh-day Adventist publishing house. Signs presents articles that are considered to be helpful in assisting readers to live in modern society. The magazine focuses on life's-style issues, health articles and Christian devotional and other religious articles. From its historical roots, the magazine emphasizes the second coming of Christ to this earth and living such lives so as to be able to meet Jesus at His second coming.
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Out of curiosity is this "study" reviewed by any scientific organizations. Ya know like those respected peer-reviewed journals, other than those waiting for the second coming? :ro lleyes:
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07-18-2020, 06:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hcap
Hey bunky youn outdid yourself. Your articled is from Signs of the Times.
Signs of the Times is a monthly magazine originally published by Pacific Press, a Seventh-day Adventist publishing house. Signs presents articles that are considered to be helpful in assisting readers to live in modern society. The magazine focuses on life's-style issues, health articles and Christian devotional and other religious articles. From its historical roots, the magazine emphasizes the second coming of Christ to this earth and living such lives so as to be able to meet Jesus at His second coming.
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Out of curiosity is this "study" reviewed by any scientific organizations. Ya know like those respected peer-reviewed journals, other than those waiting for the second coming? :ro lleyes:
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If you dont back a study, any study, its probably true. right?
Of course.
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07-18-2020, 08:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hcap
Hey bunky youn outdid yourself. Your articled is from Signs of the Times.
Signs of the Times is a monthly magazine originally published by Pacific Press, a Seventh-day Adventist publishing house. Signs presents articles that are considered to be helpful in assisting readers to live in modern society. The magazine focuses on life's-style issues, health articles and Christian devotional and other religious articles. From its historical roots, the magazine emphasizes the second coming of Christ to this earth and living such lives so as to be able to meet Jesus at His second coming.
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Out of curiosity is this "study" reviewed by any scientific organizations. Ya know like those respected peer-reviewed journals, other than those waiting for the second coming? :ro lleyes:
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There are numerous medical authorities, outside of the article, who would find themselves in full agreement with its findings. You did notice that there are numerous medical organizations involved in the article, right?
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07-18-2020, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Actor
That's the way a parachute works. Don't jump out of a plane without one.
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Has anyone ever told you that you really suck at analogies!? Comparing a jump out of an airplane that ultimately affects no one but the jumper, who made the choice in the first place, to a virus that can affect many people unknowingly is like comparing the jumper who is virtually guaranteed a good outcome to mask-wearing virus victims who are not guaranteed a good outcome.
As stated previously, face coverings merely slow down the inevitable bad outcome; and it slows down herd immunity which is a good and natural remedy. Face coverings, then, hit us with a double whammy!
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07-18-2020, 07:19 PM
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People mask shaming folks, especially outdoors, is ridiculous. Every major scientific organization has been saying that masks don't stop a virus for many years. And, how could they stop something that's microscopically tiny? Silly. Now because the mainstream narrative fits, they suddenly say that masks work. Very hard to believe.
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07-18-2020, 07:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Actor
That's the way a parachute works. Don't jump out of a plane without one.
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excellent comparison
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07-18-2020, 08:20 PM
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Idiotic comparison...especially since dave's comment was quoted without the context.
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07-18-2020, 08:44 PM
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Don't know if this has happened to anyone else but in the middle of Boxcar's first post, one of those pop-up ads occured.It's for Masks by Lucy.com. Custom designs available!
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07-18-2020, 08:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Actor
That's the way a parachute works. Don't jump out of a plane without one.
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You're jumping to a conclusion.
The guy without a chute is jumping to one too.
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07-18-2020, 09:11 PM
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07-18-2020, 09:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pandy
People mask shaming folks, especially outdoors, is ridiculous. Every major scientific organization has been saying that masks don't stop a virus for many years. And, how could they stop something that's microscopically tiny? Silly. Now because the mainstream narrative fits, they suddenly say that masks work. Very hard to believe.
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Not only that: BUT ANY OL' FACE COVERING WILL WORK!
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