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Old 08-18-2018, 11:47 AM   #46
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Colin Kaepernick just posted that he had a better lifetime passer rating than John Elway, that just goes to show you how stupid he is.
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Old 08-18-2018, 12:15 PM   #47
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Well the NFL is doing just fine. revenues were up in 2017, 4.9% from 2016 despite the dip in tv rating. That comes to $ 8,000,000,000 per NFL team.

Not bad for a failing product.

I work in New York City and all i see is people wearing nfl merchandise.

Hell our freight elevator guy lives and breathes giants.

As long as you have die hard fans, the nfl will be okay without the casual fan.

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I think you misunderstood my intention with this poll.

I was simply curious about how many people among our group felt strongly enough about TAKING A STAND AGAINST TAKING A KNEE.

It was never about the economics, although I wish it did have an economic impact, but just like racing, what the customer thinks doesn't really matter much.

I remember when this first sunk into my head. I was registering a software product about 10 years ago. It asked for demographic info about me. Pretty personal stuff, too. Gender, income group, number in household, and age. It was "age" that got to me.

The groups were:
14-18
19-24
25-35
36-49
50-59
We don't really care.

(This mug sits on my desk to remind me that nobody really cares what I think.)
Okay, so that last one actually said 60+, but it dawned on me that the world really didn't care about baby boomers any more.

They don't build software for 60-somethings. They build software for 20-somethings.

Same with movies.

Same with horse racing.

Listen... just like with horse racing, when it comes to leverage to cause change, the majority of people on this board have no power. The reality is that if you are a $2 player... or even a $20 player... the industry doesn't care about whether you play or not.

Sure, if they lose 50,000 such players they lose... let's see, do the math... 50,000 x $2... carry the one... well, let's just say that they will miss your hot dog, beer and parking money more than your wagers. Oh, wait... you don't even go to the track!

Same thing with the NFL. How much cash money do we spend that trickles back to the NFL? Unless you're buying season tickets every year, and I mean for the expensive seats, your money won't be missed.

At its base level, this is really a socio-political issue. Left-wingers and moderates who never served in the military are probably less likely to care about this issue or even to side with the players.

Beth and I were game-a-week NFL fans. We actually became fans because of Kaepernick. You know... local boy makes good. Since he was a 49er, we became 49er fans.

We had our reserved table at a local casino sports bar for every '9er game.

Then, when Kap "took a knee" we decided that IF HE CAN PROTEST, SO CAN WE. Not complicated. He his killed his career for what he believes, and we gave up our table. (I doubt that Kaepernick was aware that he would pay this high a price.)
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Old 08-18-2018, 02:54 PM   #48
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Kaepernick had been relegated to second string behind Blaine Gabbert when he decided to take a knee and kill his career, his career was already in severe decline. The league had exposed his flaws and he could not fix them. He was requesting a trade and no one was offering more than a 4th round pick and bottom 5 starter money or back up pay. He couldn't run a traditional NFL offense, so he isn't even desirable as a 2nd string QB. If he hadn't sabotaged his career he would be where RG3 is now, looking for a 3rd string QB job.


He also wore socks to practice with cartoon pigs dressed as police, inferred that police are the same as runaway slave catchers, praised Fidel Castro and committed numerous other acts that are unpopular with a lot of people.


He is just a puppet of his left wing radical girlfriend Nessa the DJ. He was nothing but a soft spoken recluse before he hooked up with her.
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:46 PM   #49
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I'd like to see Kaepernick get another chance. If Dez Bryant never plays again in the NFL I'd be fine with it.
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Old 08-20-2018, 04:30 PM   #50
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I think you misunderstood my intention with this poll.

I was simply curious about how many people among our group felt strongly enough about TAKING A STAND AGAINST TAKING A KNEE.

It was never about the economics, although I wish it did have an economic impact, but just like racing, what the customer thinks doesn't really matter much.

I remember when this first sunk into my head. I was registering a software product about 10 years ago. It asked for demographic info about me. Pretty personal stuff, too. Gender, income group, number in household, and age. It was "age" that got to me.

The groups were:
14-18
19-24
25-35
36-49
50-59
We don't really care.

(This mug sits on my desk to remind me that nobody really cares what I think.)
Okay, so that last one actually said 60+, but it dawned on me that the world really didn't care about baby boomers any more.

They don't build software for 60-somethings. They build software for 20-somethings.

Same with movies.

Same with horse racing.

Listen... just like with horse racing, when it comes to leverage to cause change, the majority of people on this board have no power. The reality is that if you are a $2 player... or even a $20 player... the industry doesn't care about whether you play or not.

Sure, if they lose 50,000 such players they lose... let's see, do the math... 50,000 x $2... carry the one... well, let's just say that they will miss your hot dog, beer and parking money more than your wagers. Oh, wait... you don't even go to the track!

Same thing with the NFL. How much cash money do we spend that trickles back to the NFL? Unless you're buying season tickets every year, and I mean for the expensive seats, your money won't be missed.

At its base level, this is really a socio-political issue. Left-wingers and moderates who never served in the military are probably less likely to care about this issue or even to side with the players.

Beth and I were game-a-week NFL fans. We actually became fans because of Kaepernick. You know... local boy makes good. Since he was a 49er, we became 49er fans.

We had our reserved table at a local casino sports bar for every '9er game.

Then, when Kap "took a knee" we decided that IF HE CAN PROTEST, SO CAN WE. Not complicated. He his killed his career for what he believes, and we gave up our table. (I doubt that Kaepernick was aware that he would pay this high a price.)
You are correct, Dave. Football is like horse racing. Horse racing could care less about the average fan, their attention goes to the whales and their huge handle.

Same goes for football, if people stopped purchasing those luxury boxes at att stadium which cost up to 30,000 a game. The owners would be changing their tune. Shortening games and not selling all the ad spots as they do now. But as long as the revenues (handle) keep going up....well

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Old 08-20-2018, 06:18 PM   #51
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He is just a puppet of his left wing radical girlfriend Nessa the DJ. He was nothing but a soft spoken recluse before he hooked up with her.
I've been saying that all along. Worst thing he ever did was hook up with her.
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Old 08-21-2018, 11:31 AM   #52
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Colin Kaepernick just posted that he had a better lifetime passer rating than John Elway, that just goes to show you how stupid he is.
Passing gas, maybe.
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Old 08-21-2018, 02:37 PM   #53
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Kaep is too stupid to realize that rule changes have made higher passing ratings easier to achieve. Comparing QB ratings from now to the 80s and 90s is apples and oranges. A QB rating of 90 in 1988 was very good. A 90 rating is just meh now.

As for the NFL, the biggest problem isn't the anthem nonsense. It's all the rule changes which are turning the game into something that isn't football.

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Old 08-21-2018, 02:48 PM   #54
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Kaep is too stupid to realize that rule changes have made higher passing ratings easier to achieve. Comparing QB ratings from now to the 80s and 90s is apples and oranges. A QB rating of 90 in 1988 was very good. A 90 rating is just meh now.

As for the NFL, the biggest problem isn't the anthem nonsense. It's all the rule changes which are turning the game into something that isn't football.
Not to mention the 5- 10 minute replays and the officials huddling for no apparent reason.
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Kaep is too stupid to realize that rule changes have made higher passing ratings easier to achieve. Comparing QB ratings from now to the 80s and 90s is apples and oranges. A QB rating of 90 in 1988 was very good. A 90 rating is just meh now.

As for the NFL, the biggest problem isn't the anthem nonsense. It's all the rule changes which are turning the game into something that isn't football.

I used to be a 49er fan and belonged to a website for fans of the team. I dumped them when I moved East and became a Redskin fan. The extreme liberalism of the fan base on the website and huge support for Kap was a big reason I moved on. I predicted his downfall long before most people did and it made me hugely unpopular. He stared down receivers and was a one read wonder. You would not believe how many fans there compared his numbers to Hall of Famers decades prior. Even when the rule changes that facilitated huge numbers for quarterbacks were explained they would not listen. I would say a good 25% of the fan base in there thought old school QBs like Bart Starr and Sonny Jurgenson put up the numbers they did because they flat out weren't very good and would not even make a modern roster as a 3rd stringer. They somehow believed quarterbacks have mentally and physically evolved tremendously in the last 50 years.
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Old 08-21-2018, 03:06 PM   #56
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Not to mention the 5- 10 minute replays and the officials huddling for no apparent reason.

You ever notice how a lot of times the networks use that time to sneak in more commercials? I have seen quite a few times they will go to commercial without even showing a replay of a play that was being challenged.
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You ever notice how a lot of times the networks use that time to sneak in more commercials? I have seen quite a few times they will go to commercial without even showing a replay of a play that was being challenged.
I could have sworn that I've seen commercials being squeezed in even when there was no break in the action. They manage to squeeze in a quick announcement even as the players retrieve an errant quarterback pass.
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Old 08-30-2018, 12:55 PM   #58
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The brown stuff will hit the fan when the next TV contract is up for renewal. That will be must see TV.
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The brown stuff will hit the fan when the next TV contract is up for renewal. That will be must see TV.
talking about the Browns. they earned a nice round 255,000,000 bucks from the TV contact. (their share of the 8,000,000,000 buck revenue from said contracts)

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2018...s-and-revenue/

"Despite some fabricated reports to the contrary, television revenue was up for the league in 2017. The total payout from television contracts was up 4.9 percent over 2016, according to a detailed report from Darren Rovell at ESPN. Ratings-based contract escalators and a bigger contract for Thursday Night Football from FOX led to the bump in team and television revenue."

as for the TV contract being up for renewal. you'll be waiting a while
as FOX took over Thursday night Football in January 2018 with a nice 5 year deal.

https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/fox...ts-1202682687/

"Fox will replace NBC and CBS, which had previously split an ten-game package for the past two seasons at a cost of around $450 million each season. Fox is said to be paying more than $650 million per year, according to a person familiar with the matter, but Goodell declined to speak about the financial terms of the deal. CBS and NBC are both believed to have lost money on their games – at the lower price."

was 450,000,000 now 650,000,000

Yeah the NFL is suffering greatly.....LOL.

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So only FOX and ABC/ESPN will have games this year?
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