Fire Coughlin

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by DRIVEWAY

Who was the Offensive Coordinator with both Super Bowl wins?

Kevin gilbride?

[Valuist]

Going for it from the 2 was the RIGHT call. The results of the one event don't matter. 4th and goal from the 1 or 2, you are better off going for it. All the armchair QBs and sports talk shows fools are all over Coughlin for that.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Valuist

Going for it from the 2 was the RIGHT call. The results of the one event don't matter. 4th and goal from the 1 or 2, you are better off going for it. All the armchair QBs and sports talk shows fools are all over Coughlin for that.

Kind of depends on time of the game, doesn't it? I think there was like 6 minutes left and the Jets had scored 10 points all game. You kick it there, your force two TDs.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

In those 5 years, he won a Super Bowl. He has won two Super Bowls. If he is fired, the new coach in all likelihood will not have even won one or even been in one as head coach. The fact that Coughlin has won two super bowls with QB like Eli Manning has to be one the greatest accomplishments in the history of the NFL. There have been coaches who won one super bowls with mediocre QBs, but no one has won two.

Eli may not be an all time QB, but he is FAR from mediocre.

[Valuist]

Originally Posted by cj

Kind of depends on time of the game, doesn't it? I think there was like 6 minutes left and the Jets had scored 10 points all game. You kick it there, your force two TDs.

What happened earlier in the game is irrelevant because teams open things up much more late in the game. The Giants D allowed 52 points to New Orleans, 27 to a Kaepernick led 49er team, and 27 to a Bradford led Eagle team. They've allowed over 6 yards/play in their last 5 games. Would you trust them? I wouldn't.

That aside, all the studies have shown that coaches are way too conservative when it comes to plays from the 1 and 2 yard line. Even if you fail, the opponent is backed up very deep in its own territory.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Valuist

What happened earlier in the game is irrelevant because teams open things up much more late in the game. The Giants D allowed 52 points to New Orleans, 27 to a Kaepernick led 49er team, and 27 to a Bradford led Eagle team. They've allowed over 6 yards/play in their last 5 games. Would you trust them? I wouldn't.

That aside, all the studies have shown that coaches are way too conservative when it comes to plays from the 1 and 2 yard line. Even if you fail, the opponent is backed up very deep in its own territory.

I agree coaches are too conservative, but mostly earlier in the game. I think game flow matters. The Jets are not the Saints on offense for sure. The other thing is if you take the 3, to lead 23-10, even if the Jets score a TD you get the ball back and only need another field goal to ice the game.

I'm all for playing the percentages, but I don't think going for it in that spot was the correct play. I said it at the time, but to be fair I didn't watch the rest of the game so I don't know exactly what happened after.

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by PhantomOnTour

Joe Gibbs won three SuperBowls with three different QBs, and two of them were average:
Doug Williams and Mark Rypien....Eli is better than both of those guys.

Doug Williams played in time when there was a prejudice against Black QBs. For most of his career he was the only starting Black QB in the NFL. After his Super Bowl Victory, he was hampered by series of injuries. When healthy (which was not often)and he was in Super Bowl XXII, Williams was much better QB than Eli. Rypien was not a very good QB, I will give you that. Eli is better than he was.

[Valuist]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

Doug Williams played in time when there was a prejudice against Black QBs. For most of his career he was the only starting Black QB in the NFL. After his Super Bowl Victory, he was hampered by series of injuries. When healthy (which was not often)and he was in Super Bowl XXII, Williams was much better QB than Eli. Rypien was not a very good QB, I will give you that. Eli is better than he was.

Williams also had a terrible supporting cast most of his career in Tampa. While rule changes have realistically made it impossible to statistically compare different eras, I'm inclined to agree Williams was probably a little better, but Eli was better than Rypien.

I'll give Eli (and the Giant defense) credit for the 2012 Super Bowl. But it was wrong for him to win Super Bowl MVP in 2008. The defense did a phenomenal job stopping that Greatest Show on Grass offense of the Patriots. David Tyree bailed Eli out with the greatest catch in SB history, without question. Tyree also had a TD catch. MVP should've been him, or one of the defensive guys.

[Secondbest]

Can't see them keeping Coughlin now after this.But unless Reese goes also nothing will change.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Secondbest

Can't see them keeping Coughlin now after this.But unless Reese goes also nothing will change.

His team just quit on him in this game.

[Ocala Mike]

Seriously! G-Men didn't show up for this one at all.

[Secondbest]

Their just not any good.Too many drops bad play calls and the defense looked gassed at the end of the half on.Beckham is acting like a jerk.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

His team just quit on him in this game.

Don't you just hate typing things too early. I've done it myself a time or two.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Don't you just hate typing things too early. I've done it myself a time or two.

I was right, they quit and Beckham made them unquit.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

I was right, they quit and Beckham made them unquit.

when was the last time you made a mistake in your estimation?