Self driving cars in the present, good idea or bad idea?

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Whosonfirst

They track how often a driver has to interfere with with full auton. and it's very infrequent, like once every 2000 miles going from memory.

I would hardly consider that to be "very infrequent", especially for high-mileage vehicles like taxis. What is the advantage of auto-pilot if it requires a full-time, fully alert driver? That certainly does not meet the promise of preventing accidents by drunk or inattentive or sleepy drivers.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Clocker

I would hardly consider that to be "very infrequent", especially for high-mileage vehicles like taxis. What is the advantage of auto-pilot if it requires a full-time, fully alert driver? That certainly does not meet the promise of preventing accidents by drunk or inattentive or sleepy drivers.

Where's Hcap when we need him? Maybe he could run those numbers through his world of quantum mechanics by using fuzzy logic that specializes in degrees of time, distance, etc.

[JerryBoyle]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Yeah...and how many cards are manually driven compared to those totally on auto pilot?

One can control for absolute # of miles driven to compare safety

[JerryBoyle]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

Thanks for the info. My issue is the situations from A-Z the testing is done on are optimal compared to what will be happening if these things become common place. For everyone who has no worries about system failures in these cars due to environmental conditions maybe you you leave your PC out in the yard when you aren't using it.

You keep on repeating this. It's incredible. No one has said they don't have worries about environmental conditions. I'm starting to think you're just trolling me and I'm falling for it.

I don't think anyone here has the expectation that they'll test these things in the nicest environment possible and then market them as ready for off roading without any further tests...

[JerryBoyle]

Originally Posted by Clocker

I would hardly consider that to be "very infrequent", especially for high-mileage vehicles like taxis. What is the advantage of auto-pilot if it requires a full-time, fully alert driver? That certainly does not meet the promise of preventing accidents by drunk or inattentive or sleepy drivers.

Agreed, doesn't meet its promise, yet

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by JerryBoyle

You keep on repeating this. It's incredible. No one has said they don't have worries about environmental conditions. I'm starting to think you're just trolling me and I'm falling for it.

I don't think anyone here has the expectation that they'll test these things in the nicest environment possible and then market them as ready for off roading without any further tests...

You are missing my point. It isn't what malfunctions today's environment will immediately cause on the vehicle it is what havoc they will wreck down the road. Once again, you have no understanding how these self driving cars work, so you are completely unqualified to speak on their viability. Once again I call you out, post something that shows your knowledge of these cars that the average Joe does not posses.

I will give you a simple question, explain the difference between a closed loop and open loop feedback system and the advantages and disadvantages of each. If you can't answer that simple question please shut your mouth and admit you talk out of your ass.

[FakeNameChanged]

Originally Posted by Clocker

I would hardly consider that to be "very infrequent", especially for high-mileage vehicles like taxis. What is the advantage of auto-pilot if it requires a full-time, fully alert driver? That certainly does not meet the promise of preventing accidents by drunk or inattentive or sleepy drivers.

Okay, I found more recent test results from actual auton. driving during 2017. Waymo averaged 6000 miles per human interruption, improving their overall average by 2300 miles over previous years. However, from June to November, their number went up to 30,000 miles without an interruption for that month alone. GM who is considered another leader is still below 2000 miles per interruption. It appears that China will become the proving grounds or country who adopts this technology first. They aren't canceling autonomous driving like Uber has in all US cities.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by JerryBoyle

One can control for absolute # of miles driven to compare safety

What are you talking about? I'm asking you how many auto-pilot cars are operating on the roads today compared to manually-driven cars? What is the ratio: 1 auto-pilot to every 100,000 manually-driven. Or 1 to 200,000. Or 1 to 300,000.

[Tom]

It appears that China will become the proving grounds or country who adopts this technology first. They aren't canceling autonomous driving like Uber has in all US cities.

China doesn't give a crap about human life.
Fact of life - or death if you in that S-hole of a country.

[JerryBoyle]

Originally Posted by boxcar

What are you talking about? I'm asking you how many auto-pilot cars are operating on the roads today compared to manually-driven cars? What is the ratio: 1 auto-pilot to every 100,000 manually-driven. Or 1 to 200,000. Or 1 to 300,000.

Whatever the ratio is, the ratio of serious injuries per mile driver is way in favor of those cars using self driving features. And this will only get better in favor of autonomous vehicles

[JerryBoyle]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

You are missing my point. It isn't what malfunctions today's environment will immediately cause on the vehicle it is what havoc they will wreck down the road. Once again, you have no understanding how these self driving cars work, so you are completely unqualified to speak on their viability. Once again I call you out, post something that shows your knowledge of these cars that the average Joe does not posses.

I will give you a simple question, explain the difference between a closed loop and open loop feedback system and the advantages and disadvantages of each. If you can't answer that simple question please shut your mouth and admit you talk out of your ass.

Where did I miss that point? Did I say they would't have issues? Did I assert anything about my knowledge of autonomous vehicles? Again, you've got no basis to assess my knowledge one way or the other... Now I'm convinced you're insecure about your intelligence in the field. We get it, sir, you are the wisest of machinists on the board.

Once again, I'm not your dancing monkey. Though, I'm sure you're itching to describe to everyone the difference so that we can all bow to your knowledge...

[Tom]

Originally Posted by JerryBoyle

Whatever the ratio is, the ratio of serious injuries per mile driver is way in favor of those cars using self driving features. And this will only get better in favor of autonomous vehicles

Data?

[JerryBoyle]

Inner Dirt, just to summarize our on going argument so others don't feel the need to go back and catch up, and so you can see how ridiculous you're being:

Me: autonomous cars will lead to a safer future on the roads. We should encourage this field

You: The sensors are sensitive and will fail in bad conditions. This must be tested thoroughly

Me: Agreed. Continue testing.

You: I know more than you, liberal. The sensors will fail. Test in all environments. And btw, here, take this test.

Me. You don't know my political affiliations or my knowledge on the subject of autonomous vehicles. But agreed, the sensors should be tested. Though perhaps, we can continue testing in friendlier conditions, as it's becoming clear these vehicles are already safer than human drives? Also, no, I'm not taking your test

You: Listen, ass. You know nothing about this subject. I'm telling you the sensors will fail, yet you're oblivious to it. TAKE THE TEST

Me: *sigh*. yes, we should test the sensors. No, I won't take your test

[jocko699]

Originally Posted by JerryBoyle

Where did I miss that point? Did I say they would't have issues? Did I assert anything about my knowledge of autonomous vehicles? Again, you've got no basis to assess my knowledge one way or the other... Now I'm convinced you're insecure about your intelligence in the field. We get it, sir, you are the wisest of machinists on the board.

Once again, I'm not your dancing monkey. Though, I'm sure you're itching to describe to everyone the difference so that we can all bow to your knowledge...

Hey, another 0 dude

[JerryBoyle]

Originally Posted by Tom

Data?

This is one company with supposedly "the worst self driving capabilities". https://electrek.co/2017/01/19/tesla...topilot-nhtsa/. Good ole nhtsa. Though, I'm getting the vibe from the board that government may not be trusted, so I wouldn't be surprised if the response is that the numbers are fake news.