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[TracksideTalk]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

So I get this from TracksideTalk in a "Reported Post" message to me (when you report a post, you can also leave me a message as to why):

News Flash: I did NOT lock your account.

However, YOU updated your email address on your account, and the system won't let you back in until you VERIFY your new email address by opening the email SENT to the NEW ADDRESS.

SO FUCK YOU TOO -- idiot.

You are of course free to return here once you realize how dumb you are, and all you have to do is verify your new email address.

there’s only one idiot on this forum & that is you
keep on sucking off Andy

[TracksideTalk]

Originally Posted by burnsy

Drug free anything is a pipe dream in any sport these days . The humans get shot up to make games , nobody even blinks . These guys tweak something or are 3 days short of being off an injury . They’re freaking playing that day . To deny athletes don’t get sore or nicked is folly . With horses , they can’t speak and if they hurt a leg it’s near deadly . So, precaution and safety has to be taken seriously. Horse racing is doing better . The trainers are aware that quick turn around for some horses doesn’t work . And tracks are scratching horses to be safe . They are aware that break downs are horrific and bad for the game . They handle the overages like crap . Don’t try to hide it , release the violation immediately. Then conduct an investigation. Have some explanation, the hush hush just leads to the public perceiving the worst . I’m going go out on a limb and just guess that a great majority of these violations are situations where the horse has a minor issue. Now, if an investigation is done and the intention was to make the horse run faster or artificially increase stamina . That should be considered a major offense with an major sanction. The shady way these things are held back and released or not expanded on and explained just makes it look bad . In other words , it looks bad enough , get out there and be in front of it because you can’t hide anything forever these days anyway . Why multiply the problem .

You’ve all missed the point of my disdain towards the NYRA
Since September everyone knew Forte failed his drug test yet they chose to cover it up
If Mr Drape didn’t write that story last Sunday it would still be a secret
But since it’s Todd then we’ll just overlook it
That’s why horse racing is dying

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by TracksideTalk

there’s only one idiot on this forum & that is you
keep on sucking off Andy

classy

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by TracksideTalk

You’ve all missed the point of my disdain towards the NYRA
Since September everyone knew Forte failed his drug test yet they chose to cover it up
If Mr Drape didn’t write that story last Sunday it would still be a secret
But since it’s Todd then we’ll just overlook it
That’s why horse racing is dying

Not why horse racing is dying...but why would I expect you to understand.

Keep thinking it's Andy's fault...

Why did you even bring him up? Because this isn't about "horse racing dying" at all. Neither is it about NYRA or Forte or Todd Pletcher.

It's about one thing and one thing only to you.

[PaceAdvantage]

Cheating trainers and drug overages and illegal drugs have been in the game FOREVER...and when I say forever, I mean it...

So if THAT'S WHY the game is "dying," it's been the slowest death ever.

While it is a problem that needs to be eliminated as much as possible, it's definitely NOT why the game is "dying"

It probably doesn't even make the top 3 list of REAL REASONS why the game might be "dying," if it is indeed dying, and I'm not even convinced of that at this point.

[TracksideTalk]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Cheating trainers and drug overages and illegal drugs have been in the game FOREVER...and when I say forever, I mean it...

So if THAT'S WHY the game is "dying," it's been the slowest death ever.

While it is a problem that needs to be eliminated as much as possible, it's definitely NOT why the game is "dying"

It probably doesn't even make the top 3 list of REAL REASONS why the game might be "dying," if it is indeed dying, and I'm not even convinced of that at this point.

when racetracks start losing their slot welfare watch what happens


not sure that you know this but NYRA loses money every year, even with Saratoga

for sure the sport is dying

[TracksideTalk]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Not why horse racing is dying...but why would I expect you to understand.

Keep thinking it's Andy's fault...

Why did you even bring him up? Because this isn't about "horse racing dying" at all. Neither is it about NYRA or Forte or Todd Pletcher.

It's about one thing and one thing only to you.

where have I said it’s Andy’s fault?
I said his employer is guilty of a major coverup which you still won’t admit


How much does he pay you to be his water boy/cheerleader?


You continue to overlook the wrong doing, the coverup for 8 months

[Spalding No!]

Originally Posted by TracksideTalk

You’ve all missed the point of my disdain towards the NYRA

I think you missed the point of this thread.

Try this one:

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...d.php?t=176158

Since September everyone knew Forte failed his drug test yet they chose to cover it up If Mr Drape didn’t write that story last Sunday it would still be a secret
But since it’s Todd then we’ll just overlook it
That’s why horse racing is dying

Wasn't the burnsy post you were responding to basically acknowledging the poor handling of drug positives in general & advocating for a more timely & transparent system?

It seems you've been nothing but courteous & polite in all the wrong places.

Of course, this thread ought to have been moved to the Triple Crown room long ago so perhaps we would have been spared all this karening on...

[dilanesp]

Andy's employer has done many things wrong over the years, and I have let NYRA have it on occasion (sometimes to Andy's chagrin). But unless you know something we don't, you can't say that about the Forte situation in the Hopeful.

Is it possible that among the people who were on notice of the doping and failed to take action was NYRA? I suppose anything is possible. And if that turns out to be true, then you'll have a gripe with NYRA. But PA is right- the New York State authorities are the first line of defense here. They are the ones who are supposed to conduct drug tests and issue suspensions, not NYRA. The track's option to ban people from the grounds has always been a secondary measure that you take in extreme situations or if the track feels the state-run process didn't work.

What we have now is a disqualification from a stakes race that should have taken place in September and instead didn't happen until May. And it involved the early favorite for the Kentucky Derby, so this is a quite important mistake. But it wasn't NYRA's mistake. Absent evidence we don't have, you are barking up the wrong tree.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Spalding No!

I think you missed the point of this thread.

Try this one:

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...d.php?t=176158


Wasn't the burnsy post you were responding to basically acknowledging the poor handling of drug positives in general & advocating for a more timely & transparent system?

It seems you've been nothing but courteous & polite in all the wrong places.

Of course, this thread ought to have been moved to the Triple Crown room long ago so perhaps we would have been spared all this karening on...

Good point.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by TracksideTalk

I said his employer is guilty of a major coverup which you still won’t admit

How are they guilty of "a major coverup?"

Please explain.

Did they ignore the drug positve? Did they not seek to give Pletcher his due process or did they halt the investigation altogether? Did they stop any processes that normally would be followed following the positive?

I don't understand?

From reading Joe Drape's article in the New York Times, it is apparent that it was Pletcher's legal team that had continually sought to stall the process.

I don't see how, from reading the NYT article, someone can claim NYRA was involved in a coverup.

Why would you say such things?

[TracksideTalk]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

How are they guilty of "a major coverup?"

Please explain.

Did they ignore the drug positve? Did they not seek to give Pletcher his due process or did they halt the investigation altogether? Did they stop any processes that normally would be followed following the positive?

I don't understand?

From reading Joe Drape's article in the New York Times, it is apparent that it was Pletcher's legal team that had continually sought to stall the process.

I don't see how, from reading the NYT article, someone can claim NYRA was involved in a coverup.

Why would you say such things?

EVERYONE employed by NYRA and on the backside heard about Forte’s failed test
It wasn’t a secret to them
It was a secret to the general public

You don’t find it odd that within 3 days of the world finding out there was an immediate ruling?

You’re obviously a NY racing homer, like so many others
You ignore the obvious but harp on everyone else’s indiscretions



BTW you play the role of a victim quite well

I’m done with you & this topic

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by TracksideTalk

EVERYONE employed by NYRA and on the backside heard about Forte’s failed test
It wasn’t a secret to them
It was a secret to the general public

You don’t find it odd that within 3 days of the world finding out there was an immediate ruling?

You’re obviously a NY racing homer, like so many others
You ignore the obvious but harp on everyone else’s indiscretions



BTW you play the role of a victim quite well

I’m done with you & this topic

When do I "harp on everyone else's indiscretions?"

In racing.

Please point me to some recent posts.

Why do you lie?

Oh, and you still haven't answered the question as to how NYRA COVERED THIS UP????

A cover-up implies someone or some entity trying to make sure something never sees the light of day. However, according to the NYT, NYRA (or whomever adjudicates this, such as the NYSGC) has been involved in trying to punish Pletcher for quite some time now.

How is that a cover-up, pray tell? Try and answer this time.

And if you're done with me, that's because you know you're wrong and can't provide evidence of an actual COVER-UP.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by TracksideTalk

EVERYONE employed by NYRA and on the backside heard about Forte’s failed test

If this is true, then NYRA sure is bad at so-called COVER-UPs.

Maybe you should be directing your outrage at other parts of the industry...because if everyone at NYRA knew...and everyone on the backside knew...then surely the media knew, right? Maybe they were the ones "covering this up..."

This is so silly, I should be the one done with you.

[PaceAdvantage]

New York Regulator Releases Timeline in Forte Case
NYSGC offers timeline since Forte's alleged failed drug test after 2022 Hopeful (G1).

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...-in-forte-case

Nowhere in the above article does the acronym NYRA appear, or the words "New York Racing Association"

Who woulda thunk it?

I see now why TracksideTalk decided to clam up.