China Trade War

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Dongsheng's underlying premise of the last couple of years is "the US doesn't know what its doing and we'll win over other people because of their belligerence."

Hardly.

Let's take some juicy direct quotes from the speech...and watch you defend it:

The Trump administration is in a trade war with us, so why can't we fix the Trump administration? Why between 1992 and 2016 did China and the U.S. used to be able to settle all kinds of issues? No matter what kind of crises we encountered, be it the Yinhe incident, the bombing of the embassy, or the crashing of the plane, things were absolved in no time, like (a couple) do with their quarrels starting at the bedhead but ending at the bed end. We fixed everything in two months. What is the reason? I'm going to throw out something a little bit explosive here. It's just because we have people at the top. (crowd laughs). At the top of America's core inner circle of power & influence. We have our old friends.

He then goes on to tell an anti-Semitic story, which was pretty shocking...talked about using stacks of dollars to get things done...which wasn't so shocking...talked about this Jewish lady (the one he said he could tell was Jewish by her "big nose") HELPING HIM set this book promo up for one of Xi Jinping's books...she was able to convince some bookstore owner in DC who didn't want to set up this promo last minute...when asked how she was able to accomplish this, we are told "she is from famous, leading global financial institution on Wall Street"

He then goes on to say this:

Okay, so in fact, that is to say, to put it bluntly, for the past 30 years, 40 years, we have been utilizing the core power of the United States. As I said before, since the 1970s, Wall Street had a very strong influence on the domestic and foreign affairs of the United States. So we had a channel to rely on. But the problem is that after 2008, the status of Wall Street has declined, and more importantly, after 2016, WALL STREET CAN'T FIX TRUMP. Why? It's very awkward.

Trump had a previous soft default issue with Wall Street, so there was a conflict between them but I won't go into details, I may not have enough time. So during the US-China trade war, they (Wall Street) tried to help, and I know that, my friends on the US side told me that they tried to help but they couldn't do much.

But now we're seeing Biden elected (CROWD LAUGHS AS IF IN ON THE JOKE), the traditional elite, the political elite, the establishment, they're very close to Wall Street, so you see that, right? Trump has been saying that Biden's son has some sort of global foundation. Have you noticed that? Who helped him (Biden's son) build the foundations? Got it? There are a lot of deals in all these. (CROWD APPLAUDS). Then, so, at such a time we use an appropriate way to express some goodwill.

So, ely...these are all DIRECT QUOTES...nothing taken out of context.

Please explain.

Better yet, I urge you all to watch this speech (not a Tucker link...in fact the video below contains nothing but the speech from Di Dongsheng on November 28) and see this amazing spectacle for yourself...

YouTube

[PaceAdvantage]

There's a reason China scrubbed this speech from their social media sites...I'm sure the US will follow suit...so better watch while you are able.

I love living in North Korea.

[PaceAdvantage]

TLDR: China admits in front of millions that it has bought off everyone at the top in the USA, except Trump....via Wall Street...

And this includes Biden via Biden's son.

And ely thinks this is all a good thing for the USA. And that's why he voted for Biden.

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by MargieRose

Oh, I'm keeping up, mister. You're becoming more and more transparent by the day. Somewhere along the line, you claimed not to be a liberal...I believe you.

The vast majority are in alignment with your opinion MargieRose, if not for Ely the thread does not move and that is what is transparent. What he claimed to be is so cooked.

[MONEY]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

1) Maintaining a global balance of power that affords the United States the final vote in global affairs. This has been maintained for 70 years through US leadership and a series of mutually beneficial trade blocs and alliances.

2) He's taken a shit on all of them.

I forgot all about President Obama's Middle East peace deals that won him the Nobel Peace Prize.

Trump messed up by letting ISIS grow unfettered, getting the Libyan tyrant Muammar Gaddafi killed and not providing offensive weapons to Ukraine to stop the Russian invasion.

Trump really screwed up America's credibility.

You're right.
Thanks for the information.

[xtb]

Originally Posted by MONEY

I forgot all about President Obama's Middle East peace deals that won him the Nobel Peace Prize.

Trump messed up by letting ISIS grow unfettered, getting the Libyan tyrant Muammar Gaddafi killed and not providing offensive weapons to Ukraine to stop the Russian invasion.

Trump really screwed up America's credibility.

You're right.
Thanks for the information.

Come on man, if Uncle Joe had given weapons to Ukraine (he was in charge of Ukraine policy at the time), Hunter would not have gotten millions from the richest woman in Russia! A man's got to eat ya know. Oh, and ISIS was just a JV team anyway.

[Andy Asaro]

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[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

TLDR: China admits in front of millions that it has bought off everyone at the top in the USA, except Trump....via Wall Street...

And this includes Biden via Biden's son.

And ely thinks this is all a good thing for the USA. And that's why he voted for Biden.

Today I learned Mike doesn't understand what soft power is.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by MONEY

I forgot all about President Obama's Middle East peace deals that won him the Nobel Peace Prize.

Trump messed up by letting ISIS grow unfettered, getting the Libyan tyrant Muammar Gaddafi killed and not providing offensive weapons to Ukraine to stop the Russian invasion.

Trump really screwed up America's credibility.

You're right.
Thanks for the information.

What if I told you that neither one was particularly good at the job?

One just way worse than the other.

[davew]

Originally Posted by MONEY

I forgot all about President Obama's Middle East peace deals that won him the Nobel Peace Prize.

Trump messed up by letting ISIS grow unfettered, getting the Libyan tyrant Muammar Gaddafi killed and not providing offensive weapons to Ukraine to stop the Russian invasion.

Trump really screwed up America's credibility.

You're right.
Thanks for the information.

0bama won prize for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.


according to these guys
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/pe...9/obama/facts/

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Today I learned Mike doesn't understand what soft power is.

Is it when you're a flaccid, limp-dicked USA when it comes to China?

Oh please China, take on our debt...and sell us cheap stuff ordinary Americans can afford!

Thank you sir! Keep pounding me!

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Is it when you're a flaccid, limp-dicked USA when it comes to China?

Oh please China, take on our debt...and sell us cheap stuff ordinary Americans can afford!

Thank you sir! Keep pounding me!

China is doing better than ever as we enter year 4 of the trade war...

Maybe, just maybe, this wasn't the way we should have gone about it.

Maybe, just maybe, some people have been saying that all along.

I understand that take requires nuance and knowledge before hand and you don't do nuance and knowledge... yet here we are.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

China is doing better than ever as we enter year 4 of the trade war...

Not according to China. They "can't fix Trump" which means they aren't doing so hot.

But with Biden and Biden's son (again, according to Chinese professor and CCP honcho) now on board, it's full steam ahead.

That's what the good professor said up there on stage. Those were his words.

So keep lying about what's really going on out there. It's astounding.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Not according to China. They "can't fix Trump" which means they aren't doing so hot.

But with Biden and Biden's son (again, according to Chinese professor and CCP honcho) now on board, it's full steam ahead.

That's what the good professor said up there on stage. Those were his words.

So keep lying about what's really going on out there. It's astounding.

For the love of God man get some info from someone other than Tucker...

The economic data is readily available.

You're such a ****ing moron.

What do you want? Balance of trade? GDP? Progress on BRI? Pick one... like a real economic indicator and look it up...

The trade war, what we're actually talking about, is a failure.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

For the love of God man get some info from someone other than Tucker...

The economic data is readily available.

You're such a ****ing moron.

What do you want? Balance of trade? GDP? Progress on BRI? Pick one... like a real economic indicator and look it up...

The trade war, what we're actually talking about, is a failure.

Nothing about Tucker. Just listening to the intelligent CCP guy on stage tell the laughing audience how China has owned the US for almost 60 years...until Trump of course.

Then again, Trump has been saying this for a good 40 years as well...

But keep bringing up Tucker...as if he's relevant to the conversation.