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06-15-2014, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
He went out of his way to card this crap?
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Let me ask you a question....do you think the racing secretary is so stupid that he thought this was a good race to run for handle? Or, maybe you think he has no idea of the effect of five horse fields, with two firsters, on handle?
Your answer to at least one of those questions has to be yes, otherwise you need to ask yourself why you posted what you did...at least without thinking first.
Whether you agree or not, the new racing director at NYRA, Martin Panza, and his racing secretary, Frank Gabriel, are trying to build something at NYRA. You don't build something by telling trainers and owners that you are going to run certain races, and then not run them when they get small fields. I'm not talking about $25K Claiming NW2L, I'm talking about ( in this case ) a 2YO Stakes program. Or maybe I am talking about turf routes ( you may have noticed we are running more of these ). But let's stick to this race. If we didn't run the Tremont and/or Astoria, and we carded them next year, nobody would take us seriously, and nobody would point for the race, and it would never go. However, now, people know we are intent on running the races we card, and over time, and it could take two or three years, these races may take root. Is it quite possible changes will be made going forward? Of course. But are you really against someone trying to build something for the future? Do you think a long term plan to try to improve racing is a bad idea? Do you think in attempting to do this no mistakes will be made?
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06-15-2014, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by precocity
Tremont Stakes WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? A RACE IN FRANCE?
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Don't you remember him? 
Major wins
Juvenile Stakes (1886)
Junior Champion Stakes (1886)
Foam Stakes (1886)
Spring Stakes (1886)
Surf Stakes (1886)
Zepher Stakes (1886)
Sequence Stakes (1886)
Paddock Stakes (1886)
June Stakes (1886)
Great Post Stakes (1886)
Good Bye Stakes (1886)
Atlantic Stakes (1886)
Tyro Stakes (1886)
Awards
American Champion 2 year Old 1886 !
Last edited by nijinski; 06-15-2014 at 09:18 PM.
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06-15-2014, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by nijinski
Don't you remember him?
Major wins
Juvenile Stakes (1886)
Junior Champion Stakes (1886)
Foam Stakes (1886)
Spring Stakes (1886)
Surf Stakes (1886)
Zepher Stakes (1886)
Sequence Stakes (1886)
Paddock Stakes (1886)
June Stakes (1886)
Great Post Stakes (1886)
Good Bye Stakes (1886)
Atlantic Stakes (1886)
Tyro Stakes (1886)
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American Champion 2 year Old 1886 ! |
 HELL YES NOW I DO!!!!!
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06-15-2014, 10:35 PM
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Won thirteen stakes races in 10 weeks. They didn't screw around back then. Then again, he broke down as a two year old and never raced again, so there's probably a happy medium somewhere in there.
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06-15-2014, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by nijinski
American Champion 2 year Old 1886 !
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Damn....they must have really been sweating that one on Eclipse night. 
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06-15-2014, 10:39 PM
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In only slightly related news, you guys will love the story that appeared just before Tremont's obituary. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
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06-15-2014, 11:05 PM
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Won thirteen stakes races in 10 weeks. They didn't screw around back then. Then again, he broke down as a two year old and never raced again, so there's probably a happy medium somewhere in there.
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Sad , he died young at stud too.
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06-15-2014, 11:12 PM
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C'est Tout
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In only slightly related news, you guys will love the story that appeared just before Tremont's obituary. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. |
Thx for posting that.
I love reading those old racing stories 
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06-15-2014, 11:18 PM
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In only slightly related news, you guys will love the story that appeared just before Tremont's obituary. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. |
Just don't show the story about the "disguised physique" 2yo betting coup to SRU or whizz.
They think that the game is more crooked now
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06-15-2014, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by the little guy
Let me ask you a question....do you think the racing secretary is so stupid that he thought this was a good race to run for handle? Or, maybe you think he has no idea of the effect of five horse fields, with two firsters, on handle?
Your answer to at least one of those questions has to be yes, otherwise you need to ask yourself why you posted what you did...at least without thinking first.
Whether you agree or not, the new racing director at NYRA, Martin Panza, and his racing secretary, Frank Gabriel, are trying to build something at NYRA. You don't build something by telling trainers and owners that you are going to run certain races, and then not run them when they get small fields. I'm not talking about $25K Claiming NW2L, I'm talking about ( in this case ) a 2YO Stakes program. Or maybe I am talking about turf routes ( you may have noticed we are running more of these ). But let's stick to this race. If we didn't run the Tremont and/or Astoria, and we carded them next year, nobody would take us seriously, and nobody would point for the race, and it would never go. However, now, people know we are intent on running the races we card, and over time, and it could take two or three years, these races may take root. Is it quite possible changes will be made going forward? Of course. But are you really against someone trying to build something for the future? Do you think a long term plan to try to improve racing is a bad idea? Do you think in attempting to do this no mistakes will be made?
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Sorry, I just see no upside to this, present or future. You guys can't fill 2yo maiden races, but a stake is a good idea? It wasn't the idea of the race, but postponing it to come back with this? The race was written, horsemen didn't fill it. They aren't owed the race when that happens. It isn't like a 5 horse field is a rare bird at Belmont these days, no need to manufacture another one.
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06-15-2014, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
Sorry, I just see no upside to this, present or future. You guys can't fill 2yo maiden races, but a stake is a good idea? It wasn't the idea of the race, but postponing it to come back with this? The race was written, horsemen didn't fill it. They aren't owed the race when that happens. It isn't like a 5 horse field is a rare bird at Belmont these days, no need to manufacture another one.
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100 percent accurate
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06-15-2014, 11:40 PM
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Actually, he's wrong....but thanks for the confirmation.
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06-16-2014, 12:16 AM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Actually, he's wrong....but thanks for the confirmation.
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Won't be first or last time, we'll see in a few years I guess.
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06-16-2014, 12:22 AM
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I think we have to give them a chance , what we saw on Belmont
Day was a perfect card ! Continued success to those who put these
daily cards together . It doesn't look like an easy job !
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06-16-2014, 07:29 AM
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I'd rather see the 25K nw2 race that wold fill.
People are paying parking and admission TODAY to bet races. Not next year.
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