The DQ (or non-DQ) complaint thread

[Fox]

From what I think I heard the commentator saying, he keeps the record regardless of the DQ.

[SuperPickle]

Originally Posted by SandyW

Gulfstream just DQ'ed a horse Amapola in race 3 that won by 10 lengths who did next to nothing in the race. Came over coming out of gate which is allowed at most tracks with no DQ. Inconsistent rulings by stewards continue to ruin the sport.

This one looks like a clear safety issue. He clearly comes over on both the an the . The guy almost went down. The problem is its not out of the gate. Like Vic says they'll give you 1-3 strides out of the gate depending on the track but this was about a furlong in.

It's a crappy DQ and they normally give two-year-olds a lot of leeway but my guess is the fact that someone almost got dropped made them make the change. My hunch is the jockey may have thought there was only one horse inside of him and not two.

[overthehill]

I dont think the stewards had much choice. the #2 horse looked and was bet like a contender and was completely taken out of the race when the winner came in on the #3 which the #3 reacted to by completely squeezing the #2 out of the race. very bad riding by the rider of the winner who must have known he had a ton of horse under him. the only time i ve seen a horse do what the winner did and not be taken down was bayern in the breeders cup.

[johnhannibalsmith]

I think I'm ready to gripe about one for once.

I don't get upholding the order of finish in race four at Belmont.

Surely there isn't much debate over whether or not a foul had been committed. The guy drives left-handed across half the width of the turf course right in front of the six, who clearly steadies and isn't grandstanding.

So it didn't affect the order of finish?

Granted, I don't think either the six or the five likely get by the winner at the wire, but the runner-up and third place finisher are running basically in tandem for most of the stretch run and the runner-up is beaten a head. There can be almost no doubt that Franco's move impeded Ortiz and I have to say that it takes some extreme confidence to conclude that he would have never gotten by either horse that finished in front of him with certainty.

Edited - Andy already disagrees.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith

I think I'm ready to gripe about one for once.

I don't get upholding the order of finish in race four at Belmont.

Surely there isn't much debate over whether or not a foul had been committed. The guy drives left-handed across half the width of the turf course right in front of the six, who clearly steadies and isn't grandstanding.

So it didn't affect the order of finish?

Granted, I don't think either the six or the five likely get by the winner at the wire, but the runner-up and third place finisher are running basically in tandem for most of the stretch run and the runner-up is beaten a head. There can be almost no doubt that Franco's move impeded Ortiz and I have to say that it takes some extreme confidence to conclude that he would have never gotten by either horse that finished in front of him with certainty.

Edited - Andy already disagrees.

Believe me, a DQ there would have been GREAT for me, and I can see an argument for it, but overall we are better off as players if in those kinds of situations, the result stands....at least in my opinion.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by the little guy

Believe me, a DQ there would have been GREAT for me, and I can see an argument for it, but overall we are better off as players if in those kinds of situations, the result stands....at least in my opinion.

I always root against DQs whenever possible. I just didn't really see the justification there unless you think like us and just don't want to see them. I wouldn't have been surprised if it were at TuP where they DQ'ed maybe a dozen horses in seven months and set the standard early for the required severity. I was glad Franco did what he did because I did not use the six and really thought he had about as much a shot as the five mid-stretch just prior to the foul.

[cj]

Originally Posted by the little guy

Believe me, a DQ there would have been GREAT for me, and I can see an argument for it, but overall we are better off as players if in those kinds of situations, the result stands....at least in my opinion.

These are such tough calls. I really hope the rider gets fined and/or suspended in these spots. As long as that happens, I think the bettor is, as you say, better off.

[depalma113]

The Stewards at Belmont are insane. You cant' DQ the 3 for that. Garbage!

[whisperlunch]

One of the worse dq's ive seen

The 3 did nothing

[johnhannibalsmith]

Different day, different standards. Sorry I missed it live and didn't catch if these guys thought this one affected the order of finish or if a foul results in a DQ today. Maybe they can get Andy, Mig, and Maggie to do that too and then pretty much everything will be just about top notch there.

[EMD4ME]

Ortiz bro's bulldozed 2 horses in similar races earlier in the meet. In pocket at 3/16 - 1/8, trying to get out. BOTH were left up. Now, for a much smaller "infraction" we have Jose claiming to get Irad up.


These 2 should be banned from NYRA for the good of the integrity of the game.

If they do nothing wrong, the perception they cause is terrible.

[no breathalyzer]

Originally Posted by whisperlunch

One of the worse dq's ive seen

The 3 did nothing

i didn't see it .. but it must be bad for a guy that has 2 post in 8 yrs to post in this thread

[whisperlunch]

Very funny 😂 Actually it did cost me a win bet.
I've been here every day since then just forgot my log in
I entered that free tourney offered by pace and decided to get my log in to thank them.
I grew up very good friends with Jim the hat Bradshaw. When he passed away I just read but never posted.


Peace

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by whisperlunch

Very funny 😂 Actually it did cost me a win bet.
I've been here every day since then just forgot my log in
I entered that free tourney offered by pace and decided to get my log in to thank them.
I grew up very good friends with Jim the hat Bradshaw. When he passed away I just read but never posted.


Peace

Welcome to the posting side Enjoy!

[Parkview_Pirate]

Originally Posted by whisperlunch

One of the worse dq's ive seen

The 3 did nothing

I had a <small> win and <smaller> place bet on the 3 in the 12th at Belmont yesterday, and I saw him "make room" to get out in the stretch during the live running of the race. I switched the video feed to another track, and was not surprised to see the inq/obj in progress when I switched back.

It was definitely not in the category of an "easy" call IMHO and it did take about 10-12 mins or so, but per the rules of North American racing a case could be made for costing the 1 a placing. I've seen worse calls, and more ticky tack ones, but the poor resolution of the online video made it difficult for me to tell exactly how much interference occurred.

What I did come away with was:

- the 3 was the best horse in the race, as far as the finish goes
- the ruling required assumptions to be made on the effect of the contact between the horses, which appeared to be initiated by the 3, but then the 1 bumped back too
- in Australia or Hong Kong, there would NOT have been an inquiry, and most likely not even an objection

About a month ago I got DQ'ed at GG with a 19-1 shot in the last race, and I thought that was worse than this one, but I know that betting in North America is risky - where every race is in the hands (and minds) of the stewards for their interpretation of the outcome....